How did it go? How is it going? (If you are in retirement, congrats!) After over 20 years with my company, I am about to do so in three weeks. My environment is chronically toxic and occasionally hostile. I need to close that door firmly so I can maintain my confidence and get my job search moving. I am both scared and excited.
Resource article: https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/quit-job-before-finding-new-one
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Anonymous
12/04/20 at 1:17AM UTC
I did this last year. Came in on a Friday and told my manager it was my last day. I was tired of having to choose between my child or my job. I had no other job lined up or a plan but I had 3 months or so worth of expenses saved up.
I took my time job searching. I wrote down what I wanted in my next position. It was very detailed. I specifically honed in on my non-negotiables. Then I started applying on jobs. Any company that didn’t provide what I needed, I walked away from. Simply as that. But I also did an unconventional job search.
I wanted to switch my career so I literally Googled top companies in the industry I wanted to work in, dig into their websites on their philosophy, culture, values, etc. And then those companies that aligned with me and what I wanted to do, I applied for. Snagged an interview for a company who hit all my needs and a few wants as well. After my initial phone screening interview, I received a call back offering me the job. And now I have a career in a field I love and I don’t dread going to work. Wish I had done this sooner, but timing is everything, and it was meant to happen this way.
I’d say figure out what you really want in your next career move and do your research. Hope this helps!
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Sabrina Greenwood-Briggs
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HR Amazon / Warrior
12/04/20 at 2:14AM UTC
Congratulations on your success with that. It sounds like everyone's dream to be able to do so. I'm glad it worked out so well for you.
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 3:36PM UTC
Thank you! Going through it was very scary in the moment. I had no idea it would work but took the leap of faith and landed on my feet somehow. Grateful!
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Jennifer Wehrend
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Problem solver, critical thinker and go-getter!
12/04/20 at 3:01AM UTC
I'm very happy for you congratulations!
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 3:34PM UTC
Thank you so much!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:32PM UTC
This is amazing - congratulations! One thing I may recommend to the post is if you can do some of this legwork before you quit, it may result in finding a job more quickly. Also, are you set on the time frame - would you be able to prolong quitting for a few weeks while you do this work?
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 3:31PM UTC
I definitely second this!! I unfortunately was backed into a corner and had no choice but to quit, but had already started job searching. Once I quit, a flip switched and I changed my search method. Definitely makes the process quicker when you define what you’re looking for and do your research!
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Janice Enoch
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Associate Director
12/09/20 at 1:44PM UTC
Wow! You are brave. I am so happy it worked out for you.
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 3:34PM UTC
Thank you! I was so scared, to be honest. I expected to be with this company for quite awhile, but that didn’t happen. I don’t regret a thing.
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Suzanna Louisa
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12/09/20 at 4:49PM UTC
So what was your job and what do you do now? Good for you! Where do you live in general, a large city?
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 3:32PM UTC
I was working in banking. I now work for a company that provides HR and EAP services. The position is remote and the company is great. I live in a suburb Missouri.
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Maggie Mangrum
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I am a True Generalist.
12/04/20 at 2:31AM UTC
I have & I don't regret it for one moment. However, more/most importantly, you are very clearly making the right decision for your mental and physical health...&, despite what some might say, your career. Managing a job search when you're burned out/incredibly unhappy can lead you in directions that may not, in fact, be what you want (because you're feeling desperate for change). Clearly you have some resources to go without pay for a period of time while you apply for positions, which is great; my best advice is to truly think through what you want next BEFORE starting a search. Talk to people--now-- and tell them you're leaving and exploring your next step. Ask your contacts for help by being very honest about what you want (for instance, don't say "I just want to pick your brain" when you really mean "I want to talk to you about your job and/or positions at your company and/or people you may know who do X job." People want to help, but so many are overwhelmed right now, so honesty goes a long way. Recommendation: listen to the Woman Amplified Podcast called "Navigating Transitions in Unpredictable Times." I'm so excited for you! Deep breath. Nothing is perfect. You've made the right decision, and your next step will be a conscious choice for the future you want in the work place.
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Anonymous
12/04/20 at 2:53AM UTC
I did this twice in the last 15 years, both times moving to a different state as well. The first time I found a job quickly in my field, and it was a great workplace. The second time I couldn’t find anything and ended up taking a part-time retail job just to get by. I ended up leaving the area for lack of employment opportunities. So basically, it really varies. It is totally possible to find a job without already working, but it can be harder. The smaller the gap, the better. No matter how you feel about your current job (and how valid it is to feel that way), the next employer doesn’t need to hear about that and won’t necessarily appreciate it. A friend of mine was let go for little reason from a job where she was working in a very toxic environment and she ended up applying for and getting a way better job. It was pretty terrifying for her at first, but it was such a relief to find something significantly better for more pay!
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Amy and Nancy Harrington
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Women Support Women
12/04/20 at 3:41AM UTC
I did many years ago. I had a really high profile job at a major motion picture company — a dream job for years. But after some major politics and a toxic environment (like you're going through), I decided I didn't want to work there any more. I left the film industry entirely. It was challenging but I got to explore all different kinds of careers and am now 100% happy with what I am doing — inspiring women to follow their passions with my sister and best friend through our podcast, subscription box and events. We wish you luck in your journey!
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Danielle Simon
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Ecommerce Specialist
12/04/20 at 4:46AM UTC
I've done this at least twice before in the past, though I wouldn't necessarily advise anyone to do it right now--it would depend on their field and other key information. But it worked out fine for me both times. I had enough money to where I could spend several months not working.
The second time, I did something somewhat similar to the first Anonymous, though I know not everyone is in a position to be very specific and only go for a total fit. And I wasn't really in that spot, either, but I told myself that I was done with certain types of jobs and would have to be 100% desperate before I ever apply for any of those jobs again. I didn't really have a specific job in mind that I wanted or even a certain type of environment--just knew what I didn't want to do anymore. One day when I was looking for jobs, I got very lucky in seeing a job description that looked ideal for me working in ecommerce, which is my current field, and it took my career in a great direction.
I have to say--not working for several months both times was great and very refreshing. I know having gaps in your work experience is controversial, but I found it very healthy--especially when you're coming out of horrible work situations (one of my jobs was so bad that I left one day and never returned)--and being able to just have that much time off to myself to recharge every now and then is one thing I miss now that my career has taken off. So, especially with what you'll be coming out of, I'd say make sure you try to enjoy some of this time you'll have once you quit.
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Anonymous
12/07/20 at 1:41PM UTC
Yes.
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Anonymous
12/08/20 at 7:54PM UTC
I've done this 2 years ago. It helped me in some ways but hurt me in others. While I got myself out of a very toxic work environment that did not help me physically and mentally, being unemployed was not helpful for my anxiety. Yet, I am 100% glad I left and I was lucky enough to find a new job even though it took me 2 years.
It might not be a good time right now with the job market, but I would take this time to recharge and get to know yourself more in terms of your career goals. Take some time to reflect on the hard and soft skills you gained that could help you transition to other jobs and on the reasons that made this environment toxic. Also use the time to learn new skills that you weren't able to learn while working. This will help you figure out what kind of things you want to look for in your new job.
Congratulations and good luck in your next journey!
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 1:04AM UTC
Your situation sounds about like mine. I quit a toxic work environment that was affecting me both mentally and physically in 2017. I had some money put away that helped a ton, but it was a struggle after that first year. I suffered from anxiety, as well as depression. I went to a trade school and worked gig jobs for awhile. After two years, I finally got a job in 2019. Still not my dream job, but I’m grateful for it! Although it’s been challenging, I have no regrets in leaving either. Congratulations on making the decision to leave and finding your new opportunity! I hope your anxiety is better these days.
Best wishes to the original poster on their future endeavors!
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:20PM UTC
I'm the original poster and I also have anxiety, so am mentally preparing myself for the challenges including managing anxiety over an extended time period (in a pandemic). Thank you for sharing that aspect.
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Ladyboss874162
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12/09/20 at 1:25PM UTC
Yes, I did it an early 2019 when I was experiencing discrimination and harrasment. I was unemployed about 3 or 4 months, but I dont regret it AT ALL. I have received almost a 50% increase in pay and have learned invaluable new skills over the past year. I am doing better in every regard. It has been a journey to recover though from some of the things I experienced there, and for that reason, I say if you feel like the toxicity is impacting your mental health and self esteem--leave and never look back. The world will often tell you to tough it out until you find another job, but that is not always feasible. Take care of yourself.
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:33PM UTC
I’ve done this more than once. The key is to make sure you’ve put yourself in a secure enough financial position to weather a few months without work. One time, it took me 9 months, if I were concerned I feel there were options I could have gone with sooner.
Sometimes we get so transfixed by our need for work that we jump from an unhealthy situation straight into a new job & don’t give ourselves the necessary break in between to figure out what went wrong, what were the red flags, how could I improve myself & what am I really looking for in my next opportunity.
I don’t regret any job I walked away from without having something else lined up, my post-departure reflections usually show me how draining and toxic an environment was and stories from friends who remain there constantly reaffirm I made a good choice for me.
The last job I left made such a point to drive down employees sense of worth and hammer in how replaceable you are, when I took on a management role and asked for a modest pay increase I was made to feel like a greed fueled monster. It took a couple months in the middle of a pandemic to land my new gig, but I’m literally making double what they paid me, appreciated for my skills and working with leadership that prefers to build up their employees rather than break them down.
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Pharberknockn07
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Curriculum & Training Development in Kansas City
12/09/20 at 1:34PM UTC
I did this earlier this year during the height of the pandemic. My former workplace had also become too toxic and was negatively impacting my health. I quit without anything lined up and took a few months off to recoup before even thinking about finding something. Once I did I made sure to be extra protective of my health and find the right culture. I took a bit of a pay cut, but my current position is 10x better- no insane deadlines, no 50-60 hour work weeks every week, I’m no longer asked to do other people’s jobs or cover roles the company let go and never refilled.
Your health is the most important thing. Make sure to keep an open mind, be positive, and know what is and isn’t ok to give on during your search (a few thousand dollars less a year at a better company can save tens of thousands down the line to try and fix your health from a bad company). You’ve got this!
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Margaret Guyette
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12/09/20 at 1:35PM UTC
Wow, the timing for this post could not be more perfect. I left my job last Tuesday with no next job lined up. It was a toxic work environment and the organization was not putting its employees first - it was requiring all staff to be on site in high densities after 7+ months of distributed work during the pandemic, just as numbers were starting to climb again. As far as I know, I am the only person at my former job who left due to the conditions who wasn't close to retirement (there were many who chose to take retirement early because of the working conditions).
As for next steps, I am actively applying for jobs, working my contacts, and enhancing my skillset by doing online training that I haven't had time for while employed full time. I have no regrets, and I have lined up a handful of interviews already (I had been applying for jobs for a while before my last day). It's nerve-wracking to take this leap of faith, but absolutely worth it. I am so much happier despite the uncertainty of the current situation.
It sounds like it's time for you to do the same thing, and I wish you the best of luck as you explore your next chapter!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:53PM UTC
I did the same thing last month! I had been at my job 15+ years, and was tired of being unappreciated and taken for granted. I have been applying for positions as a medical coder (I received my AAPC certification in August) but no responses yet. I currently live in Tulsa, OK but want to relocate to Colorado.
You have to take care of you, because no one else will. Good luck in your new chapter!
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:26PM UTC
I moved to Colorado. Cost of living has jumped recently but is a great area! Wishing a great work opportunity arrives for you soon!!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:44PM UTC
Yes, i loved my job until there was a coup d’ etat in my office and I was reporting to a psycho narcissist. My team hated him. They called me in tears daily. I was having the best year ever. My health was suffering. My husband met this guy and told me to leave.
One Saturday, I woke up and said I’m quitting Monday. I was 11 days short of vesting in my 401k. I walked away from a bonus on a 7m sale.
My friends ( most of them are HR executives) say it was brave and the best thing I could have done.
Of a female team of 4 seasoned professionals, 2 of us resigned the same day.
A company will rarely put your health or family first. You are an asset, a resource - those are financial terms. You are a debit or credit. Sadly, even high performers can be a debit. I have seen the top sales professional that closed 25m one year managed out the door the next because his manager was jealous.
Do what’s best for you!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:48PM UTC
I quit my job last year and took over a year off from working. (I didn't intend for it to be quite that long, but the pandemic hit my line of work pretty hard). I was incredibly burned out and had recently joined a new company that was the opposite of what I was sold on. The toxic work environment was making me so unhappy and negatively impacted every area of my life. I made the decision to leave and put in my two week's the next day. Walking out of the office for the last time was the biggest sense of relief I've ever felt in my life, and I don't regret it for a single second.
Having savings tremendously helped ease the stress of finding a new job quickly; I'm also very lucky to have a supportive partner who was there every step of the way. Set goals for yourself if you plan to look for a new job, but also enjoy the time off!! Time spent simply being is truly a pleasure, and I found my way back to many things I love & enjoy doing, which was exactly what I needed.
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Joycelyn M. Siame
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Experienced Admin.
12/09/20 at 1:52PM UTC
I quit my job this September. I had never been without a job since I began working. The toxicity was too strong, even though the pay was good. I got over my fear and just wanted to feel good and to feel relief... so I quit. When I gave my 2 weeks notice, I began researching what my ideal job would encompass and what I want out of my career. Then I researched companies and checked to see if they were hiring. I had my resume and cover letter professionally done and with the the help of Indeed and Zip Recruiter, I started applying for jobs that would make me happy. Within a week, I had multiple interviews. I was unemployed for less than 24 hours when I got the job offer with the organization I was hoping to work with.
This period of our lives is the scariest (even after the great recession, which happened the year I graduated college), but one thing that got me through is faith. Once I was able to push aside my fear and put into the universe that I just want to be happy, I don't mind doing the work, I just really want to feel happy, then things fell into place.
I am not saying that this will work for everyone, what I am trying to say is keep the faith and trust your intuition.
Good luck and best wishes to you finally being happy because 20 years in a toxic place... oh boy, I couldn't deal.
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Cyndy Trivella
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Managing Partner, Media & Marketing Consultancy
12/09/20 at 1:57PM UTC
Yes, I did this once early in my career. That job was in a totally toxic environment and one I couldn't leave soon enough. In some ways it was a good move (mentally) and in others (financially) it wasn't. Here are the two things I learned from my experience.
1.) If you leave a job before having one, be sure you are financially prepared to weather it out for at least 6 months.
2.) Often times employers believe they have the upper hand, when interviewing unemployed candidates, and can manipulate by offering a salary at the lower end of the pay range.
Overall, I wouldn't do this again as I didn't have a great experience, but when done strategically and with good preparation, it can work out well in the end.
Good luck and wish you all the best!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 1:58PM UTC
I did! Quit right before Thanksgiving, I had to work w a demanding boss, worked 80+ hours week, no weekends, I could not take care or spend time w my kids, no time for anything. I was drained mentally and physically and started having bad anxiety. I knew I had to quit so started applying for jobs in my field, got interviews but no offer. I reached out to a recruiting company too and within 3 weeks, land a job that I will start after new year, so happy to have this break to recharge and rest. So yes, don't be afraid, your health comes first! Start applying, takes about a week or two for HR to call to set up interviews.
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Kelly Kaphingst
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Office Administrator in Minnesota
12/09/20 at 2:35PM UTC
I have done this, too -- I had only been working in the position for a few months but knew already it wasn't going to be a good fit for me. My supervisor and I had tried working out other options, but the company didn't fit what I was looking for. I just remember the relief that I felt leaving the office on my last day despite not having another job lined up. It really allowed me to turn over a new leaf and get going on a job search with a set of fresh eyes. Good luck with everything going forward!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 2:41PM UTC
I am in a similar situation, walking away from a senior position after 16 years due to a toxic environment where I was the only woman in leadership and being personally bullied and targeted. Reading this thread of remarkably similar stories it is both reassuring that I am not alone in my experience and disturbing that it seems to be so common! I am currently in the process of negotiating my exit and know I will need time to reflect and heal before beginning a search. Thank you all for sharing your stories, for your brave example, and for your encouragement.
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Sandee Curry
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Passionate about clear communication
12/09/20 at 3:07PM UTC
I've done it twice in my career, both times because of a hostile work environment. It is never worth it to stay in an abusive situation! The first time, I ended up hustling four part-time jobs, but that was early in my career, and I was young and inexperienced. I ended up in a nine-year stint at a corporate job that set me up financially, so it ended up fine. The most recent time was about a month ago when what was my dream job turned into a nightmare. I was in a leadership role that became impossible because my team was being micromanaged and bullied, and I couldn't protect them. It just wasn't worth my mental or physical health to stay. I'm freelancing for now but applying for jobs that seem like a good fit. I won't ever do work that I hate again, but I am finally in a place financially that I can say that. That's a privilege that I've only experienced because we made some smart financial moves this year. I wish you the best. My hope is that someday soon, all this abuse and toxicity for women in the workplace ends once and for all.
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:32PM UTC
Hear! Hear!
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JoAnne McClure Raatz
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12/09/20 at 3:09PM UTC
Sometimes you just know in your gut that you can't continue at a workplace. Take the leap and leave!
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Abigail Church
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Organizational Development Professional
12/09/20 at 3:14PM UTC
I have done this twice in my adult life, once this year. My last day with my employer of almost 8 years was October 30th.
In both situations I was able to make the decision because we had enough in savings to support up to 6 months of me being unemployed. The first time it only took me 3 weeks to find new employment, but I was also only qualified for entry level employment anywhere I went since I had not yet completed my undergrad program.
This time around I am looking at starting my own business but also interviewing for part-time and full-time remote employment. I have managed to pick up one client and have interviewed for two roles that I would love. One I won't hear back about until the end of the year and the other I should hear about by the end of this week.
I agree with a lot of what has been said. Quitting your job without another one lined up isn't a bad decision, especially if you are financially stable enough to go unemployed for a period of time. Much like you, I reached a place where I realized I couldn't maintain the overall health of my family staying where I was. Once I no longer felt burnt out, identifying what I want and need in a new employment relationship was much easier.
If you need anyone to bounce ideas off of or help you identify the things you want and need in a new employer relationship, I'd be happy to help. :)
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 3:28PM UTC
I quit my job in 2018. My boss was toxic and lying to HR about me - when the failures were actually his and I was the one picking up the pieces of his mistakes. I was/am very fortunate to have a supportive spouse that carried us through the time I needed to pull myself together after I quit. Until I was home for a few months, I didn't realize the real toll it had taken on me emotionally and physically. I was not in a state to find a job even if I had tried. I did get a job later in the year. I still feel the scars today and am more skeptical that I ever was before. I still am working through my issues with that experience. I probably should have quit sooner, but hindsight....
I wish you the best. A toxic environment can be more damaging than one realizes at the time.
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 3:33PM UTC
Yes, and it took me more than three years to find a comparable position. I ended up working in retail in the interim and living in poverty :/ Hope it works out better for you.
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 5:26PM UTC
I’m sorry this was your experience! Going through something similar, but I’m trying to keep the faith. Wishing you the best!
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:35PM UTC
Sorry for the hardship, glad you pulled through!!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 3:52PM UTC
I have done that before but I didn't have much on the line. I had young kids and a husband generating a second income and my youth. You say you've been with the company for 20 years so I'm assuming you're not under 35, it will likely be harder for you to move into a new role at a comparable pay rate. I recommend doing the emotional divorce thing, check out as much as possible at work without guilt and focus on the job hunt. This is the time of covid, companies are using it as an excuse to get rid of people, as an employee, we should be able to use it to your advantage. Hire one of those career coaches because if you haven't been active in the job market for 20 years, simply heading a resume is very different. You will lose time learning these things so whatever it costs to pay for this service will be worth it.
So you know, I was at my job for 5 years and was trying to find a new one. I wasn't deliberately checked out but now that I look back, I really was for the same reasons you are at your job. (In 5 years our team had 5 different bosses, each going in a completely different direction than the previous. They all assumed the ones keeps things moving when there was no lead knew nothing.) They ended up letting me go "because of Covid" which made me realize how very happy I was to be gone. I couldn't believe the weight that was lifted when I turned in my equipment. They also gave me a suspiciously generous severance package which has helped me through the anxiety of being unemployed.
Good luck to you no matter what you ultimately decide to do.
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:41PM UTC
Oh, the irony of life. My company has offered and provided (surprise!) packages in many over the past six months, but it's not available to my group.
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Melina Marie
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12/09/20 at 4:25PM UTC
I quit my job middle of December last year. It was kind of a rash decision because I was dealing with mental health issues and the owners of my company were making it worse. In hindsight, I should have prepared more and made sure I had savings because I couldn’t find anything on my field and then covid hit so I was unemployed for 8 months and it’s reaped financial havoc on my life :(
Be thoughtful about it but don’t stay stuck in a job you hate. Good luck!
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:46PM UTC
I'm glad you made it through. That would have been easier without the Unexpected (on a global level!)? Thanks for the words of caution. Typically I don't leave time for technical difficulties or traffic, so it's good to make mental space for difficulties. Cliché, but appropriate: Hope for the best, prepare for the worse. Sorry it was (near) the worse. Wishing you recover from that hardship.
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 4:30PM UTC
I quit a job for a cross country move in support of my husband's career. It took me about a year to find a new job, and the search was super demoralizing. Lately, I've been tempted to quit my current job, but we couldn't afford another lengthy job hunt without my income coming in - especially with all the economic uncertainty ahead.
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:47PM UTC
I hope you find a way for it to be bearable and to grow as much as you can there.
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Ellen
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Lead with Head and Heart
12/09/20 at 4:39PM UTC
Congrats and what an exciting and wonderful opportunity you have ahead of you!
I have, twice. In 2008 before the downturn and 2019 before this latest downturn. I don't regret either. Yes it was unnerving and a little scary, especially as the year ahead unfolded with high unemployment, financial collapse and overall uncertainty on the job front. However, before I quit, my husband and I looked over our finances (we do regularly, so it wasn't a huge lift) and knew with budget adjustments and dipping into our savings, we'd be ok for a period of time (goal was to work again in 1 year).
Some learnings from both experiences:
1/ Take real time to decompress. I gave myself 3 - 6 months to not think about the job search, networking, etc. My mind and body needed rest and demanded it as the first month+ of the time off, I got sick and needed sleep. If you were always on the go, context switching at work/home, running on adrenaline, etc it'll take time to work that out of your system. But its a must to help bring clarity of what you want from the next phase.
2a/ Revise expectations for your professional self. You'll miss the hustle and bustle of the work environment, people reaching out asking for help, coffee, etc. You may have the desire to call them to keep in touch but if yo u find yourself getting swept up with work, see 1 above and set boundaries for topics to catch up on.
2b/ Revise expectations on the financial front. Perhaps you are financially well off (if so, congrats!) and that this may not be a concern. However if it is, know up front how much risk in the market you are willing to endure and if you will dip into your savings (or if that's completely off limits). These large sign posts are helpful for what's ok/not ok and then also set up a daily/weekly/monthly budget to help remain on track. I use to get coffee all the time while working, though I cut back on the latte runs and saved them for when I was networking.
3/ Invest in you and the things that give you joy. This is the time to be somewhat selfish and reconnect with yourself. If you love cooking/baking, find new recipes to try. You have the time now. If it's reading the stack of books that have been sitting on your nightstand collecting dust, curl yourself on the couch and transport yourself. If it's working out, ease into this one so you're less sore and able to find a workout that you can maintain for the long run.
4/ Breath deep. Trying to find the next role is stressful. It may not happen on your timeline and there could be a lot of silence from the other end. This is, unfortunately, part of the process. Don't take any of it personally. Be your biggest cheerleader and when feeling stressed/down, recall those amazing accomplishments and impact (projects as well a people) you've had throughout your 20 year career to fuel you. You are amazing.
Best of luck!
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 5:34PM UTC
Love this comment! Not the original poster, but thank you!
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:49PM UTC
LOL - I am the original poster and thank you! (teared up for #4)
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 4:46PM UTC
I feel you on the toxic environment reeking havoc on mental well-being Unless you have 4-6 months of expenses saved, as much as it may suck.. it’s easier to find a job when you have a job.
Also, scope out job posting for the position and/field you want to transition into. Timing is everything.
Something to thing about...more companies doing layoffs in Q4 due to COVID or org restructuring there is easily 20-200 people applying to the same job posting.
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Joyce Wallace
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Technology, Operations, and Finance Executive
12/09/20 at 5PM UTC
It's interesting to me that so many posters are cautioning against leaving a toxic environment under the current economic conditions. And yes, I have certainly had times in my career when the economic reality meant I had to endure wretched conditions for a time. However, what is also interesting is how an employer's true colors are revealed when they feel they have the upper hand in the job market. Unfortunately, I've seen this happen in every economic downturn and have experienced it once or twice myself. The moral of the story? While it is difficult to look for a job under current conditions, it is also the BEST time to see the true cultural values in a company.
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Stacey Dunleavy
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Graphic designer - pivoting to motion graphics
12/09/20 at 5:42PM UTC
this is getting more and more tempting... I'm tired of getting ignored - and then berated for projects not being finished because no one else reviews them. I'm tired of sharing conceptual pieces, getting positive feedback, and then no steps as to where to take them next
Of course, the only thing keeping me here is my lack of savings and almost being maxed out on my credit card... If it weren't for all the fees and taxes on withdrawing from my 401(k), I'd cover my mortgage with that and start freelancing...
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:54PM UTC
It's similar here. I hope you figure something out to make it bearable. Teasing: How about a big sign: It's Not You, It's the Workplace! That reminds me: I put a decal on my work laptop: "Nevertheless She Persisted", which I can't get off. When I turn that in, maybe IT will get a laugh out of it.
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Lauren Castelluzzo
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A bicoastal creator of brand experiences
12/09/20 at 6:48PM UTC
There is a lot of good conversation here so I’ll keep it simple just to add I am in my mid-30s and have done it twice! This last time, it took a full year to get a new gig due to the pandemic but I am so excited about what’s to come. If you can afford it, and you have a good support system, go for it and never look back! Life is too short. Timing is everything. Good luck!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 7:55PM UTC
I did so almost four years ago now and have been struggling to get a stable, full-time job since. Everything has been temporary or part-time. I'm sure there are many different factors to this. Do I regret leaving and wish I had had a more stable plan? Hm... I'm honestly not sure. I think that would have been the better way to go actually. I'm not broken up about it, though, and the job, while tiring, was not as toxic as some places are, so in the end, to whomever is debating this for yourself right now, you can hear many different stories but you may have to experience it firsthand to really know how it will turn out. We're all different people and there are many different circumstances. I can only wish you the best of luck :)
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 1:59PM UTC
Thank you. You too! It goes the way it goes. Sometimes better, sometimes worse, but always going... Wishing you goodness!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 8:39PM UTC
I left my job in August with nothing lined up. I am still looking but can say with 100% confidence that I regret nothing. It was a toxic work environment and after I left more than ten other people left too. A lot of them women. In a company of around 150 with maybe 20 women in total, that says a lot.
You have to follow your gut and your heart. My company showed their true colors when the pandemic hit (although I saw the writing on the wall for awhile). You deserve to be treated fairly, valued, and respected. You are worthy of your dreams. You will have to put in the work, but trust that you will find something you love. I get mixed reactions when I tell people I left a well paying job in an industry that was thriving not in spite of, but because of the pandemic. But if this year has taught me anything, it's that life is too short to be miserable and no one knows what's best for me more than I do. I took a leap of faith and I'm never looking back. I am very privileged in the fact that I was able to save up enough money to keep me afloat for awhile as I look for something that truly aligns with my values.
The fear of running out of money and the unknown is still better than the situation I was in where I was overlooked, undervalued, and on my way to burn out. It is taking me longer to find something because I am looking to pivot in my career a bit and of course the state of the economy is upping the competition. But I will say, I was surprised to see how many people are still hiring and I imagine it will only get better come January. Congrats on making this move and getting one step closer to something that lights you up and where you feel valued and appreciated. You deserve it!
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Angie Seibold
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Customer Success Manager
12/09/20 at 8:56PM UTC
I made this very jump at the end of October. Searched in fits and starts for a new role for years, and finally realized that the best way for me to find my next role was to be transparent in my search, tap into my current network for references and referrals, and really research each company I'm considering for my next role. I have enough money saved up to be comfortable for several months, and worked with a career coach last year to update my resume. I recently signed up for JobScan in an attempt to defeat the ATS bots!
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 9:18PM UTC
I did, but it was when the job market was more favorable. As a 54 year old woman mid pandemic I am grateful to have work. That being said, my job for now is quite toxic and sometimes downright scary the culture is incredibly volatile. I have an interview in 15 minutes. I'm playing it safe for now. When I did it before I had a new position within two weeks. I do absolutely understand the need to be safe and emotionally healthy. Best of luck to you.
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Anonymous
12/09/20 at 9:58PM UTC
This is the reason why I prefer to work as a contractor - but a W2 contractor, not 1099 one, where there's no unemployment benefits when the buck stops. If the company culture is hostile and not inclusive, then just wait for a while until the contract ends (hopefully soon), and then file for unemployment (only valid if your contract is a W2 one). I think that this has saved me from headaches like overworking, putting up with bullies and a hostile environment, and combination (that's not good for the health - both overworking and hostile environment!). Yes, there are risks of going the contracting route as well - some companies are very cheap and all they have are short-term low-paid contracts. Don't take up those. I used to be desperate in the past and only go for any contract I could get, but that was a mistake now I realize. Not saying that contracting is the best way to go since there are so many uncertainties of income, and you have to actively look for a new job when your current one ends, but it's better for me mentally. Plus many companies are now looking for contractors than investing in full time permanent employees.
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 2:04PM UTC
Thank you for the tip about W-2 contracts. I have contracting in the top three on my transition list.
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Shitij Bhatnagar
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12/10/20 at 6AM UTC
Hi All, I have done the same thing. I resigned from a job that took away my physical and mental health and that too during the pandemic. While I am searching for a job and have not got one yet, I must admit this period (in between jobs) has given me time to introspect on my career, to decide my future direction and learn new skills as well. I can relate with almost everyone who has posted comments on this article. Regards.
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 1:09PM UTC
I have not, but I'm considering it. Best of luck and congratulations on taking the leap of faith!
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Anonymous
12/10/20 at 7:03PM UTC
I agree with many of the above comments. I have left a job without another one in the past. Thinking about doing it again. I’d like to add my two cents on a few things:
•Having a financial cushion to fall back on is important. Things can go either way. You can find a job in 2 days or 2 years. My experience was closer to the 2 years, which is why I’m hesitant to do it a second time. I also don’t have the financial cushion I had the first time and now have more responsibilities. The first time, I was young, no kids, no real responsibilities, etc, so it was easier.
•Having supportive family and friends is also paramount—whether it’s financial, emotional, physical, intellectual, etc. I wouldn’t have made it through without my family. On the other end of that, I also lost a lot of friends, because they didn’t know how to support me at a slower financial, occupational, social pace.
• I initially quit with the intention of taking time to recharge for one year. I couldn’t stand the slow pace, and so, I jumped back in too soon (2 months). That then led to even more burnout and put me in an even worse position mentally, which ultimately prolonged my “bounce back.” With that being said, don’t jump back in too soon. As others have said, take time to relax, recharge, really think about those things that are important to you, learn new hobbies, skills, or trades, etc.
• After enough time for you, make sure you use your network. I didn’t start using my network until the latter end of my search. I was somewhat embarrassed to reach out to people in my circles (for more nuanced reasons than quitting my job), but I finally did. I got a number of contacts and even a few interviews this way. Finally after two years, I got my current role through the referral of an ex coworker (turned new coworker) at the company I initially quit. This is not my dream career, and I’m nowhere near 20 years in, but it is an industry I had been interested in for a long time. I eventually want to pivot out but am personally waiting awhile this time around.
• Finally, you always have to be loyal to you. Not a company. When faced with a choice between the two, I always remember this scenario: as a teenager, I worked for a small grocery chain. The assistant manager died on the clock one Saturday during my shift. He had worked there for over 20+ years. I had worked with him two years and watched him work himself to the bone. On the day he died, they didn’t close the store temporarily. They didn’t give people time to grieve or process. They didn’t do anything but make room for his body to be taken out. When it came time for his funeral, none of the leadership nor many associates attended, because they had to work. I understand that business has to keep going, but after 20+ years, no one could make the decision to close the store for a couple of hours on the day of his death and funeral? No one was loyal to him in the end. Choose you first.
I wish you all the best on your new journey and pray that your search isn’t one of the longer ones. Godspeed.
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 2:09PM UTC
The networking tip especially resonates for me. And giving myself space to recover. The last story makes me think that more folks like us should be in charge: We'd show compassion and ultimately this would benefit the employees, the customers, the community...
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Anonymous
12/11/20 at 3:09AM UTC
All of this advice is spot on! I am sorry to hear you are struggling. You need to prioritize your mental and physical health. If it is really taking a toll on you and you have the means to sacrifice a paycheck for a few weeks or months, I would leave. Life is too short to be that unhappy. There are always opportunities to find work and you will have a clearer head interviewing without sneaking around. In the meantime while you look for other full time opportunities, consider freelancing. There are so many ways to provide services online to make some extra cash in the interim. Good luck and be positive!
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Anonymous
12/14/20 at 3:28AM UTC
I have never left a job without another job lined up. I wouldn't be opposed to leaving without a job lined up if I had a husband with a good job or someone else I could fall back on for up to a year while I search for a better job. As a singleton either I work or I could lose a lot. Years ago I worked in a toxic environment and I made job searching my second job. I had a co-worker who also wanted to leave and we made a secret pact to start searching for jobs daily. It took both of us approximately six months to find new jobs and we both left within two weeks of each other. Boy, were our managers upset! We were very crucial to their operation.
Whenever I had the time I would send out resumes and apply for jobs. When I finally got an in-person interview, it was perfect timing that lined up with a holiday period for my employer. When my team asked everyone what we were doing during the break, I said I would be spending a week with family when in actuality I was flying thousands of miles away for an interview. I got the job and started a new chapter without having to go through the stress of being unemployed.
In a pandemic, I don't know if it would be worth the wait if you cannot bear your current work environment. It could take a long time before you get the job you want. I still recommend to most people who cannot afford to be unemployed to just keep looking while you have your toxic job. Make it a priority to focus on your job search whenever you can, and apply to something daily if the situation is dire.
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Anonymous
12/16/20 at 11:45PM UTC
I just stumbled across this thread but I'm so glad I did. Like the OP and many commenters, I'm struggling with a toxic work environment and seriously considering quitting without a new job lined up. I've been applying for jobs, but I'm mentally and emotionally depleted. I've had a couple of interviews but my heart just isn't into preparing for them, due to depression and fatigue. I haven't bombed an interview or anything, but I couldn't muster up the energy to prep like I have in the past, and I haven't made it past a first round yet. I'm seriously considering quitting my current job after bonuses are paid early next year, so I can take a little time to focus on rest, and restore my mental/physical wellbeing, then commence a job search with the energy, enthusiasm, and preparedness that I know I'm capable of. I'm working on a financial plan to live on the bonus and my savings, and I could afford several months of not working. I do worry that my job search could outlast my savings, but reading about all of your experiences and successes inspires me to have faith in myself and heed what my intuition is telling me. Best wishes to the OP and everyone struggling in toxic work environments!
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Anonymous
12/17/20 at 2:37AM UTC
I'm with you. As soon as I made definitive exit plans, my job search started moving forward in earnest. Leaving definitely freed up mental and emotional resources!!
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Anonymous
02/11/21 at 3:43AM UTC
UPDATE to original post: Thank you all for your encouragement and caution alike. I quit and have been unemployed for one month. Happily so as the work stress was causing me physical ailments that have nearly all disappeared. My attention has been mostly on my job search which preliminarily I expect to be about two to four months. I have yet to file for Unemployment but obtained Medicaid in the meantime in case of emergency. Wishing us all wellness in these difficult times.
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