So, it has been a while since I posted something about the trials and tribulations of being laid off during the pandemic. My story isn't much different from others. I am an Executive Leader, Female, in Tech. I was working most recently at one of the largest tech companies in the world and had a fabulous job.
I had great work-life balance. My team worked extremely well together and we all liked our manager. Long story short, changes came, our entire division was laid off (in two segments) right at the beginning of Covid-19. It has been extremely difficult to find real work. I have interviewed no joke, over 100 times; likely 200. I have been rejected times than I care to admit.
I have had offers that were literally pulled right on the day of signing. I say all of this as a note to let all of you struggling that you aren't alone. With that said, I have been experiencing alot of ageism and sexism.
The last 3 jobs that I interviewed for I was told that I was either the top candidate or 1 of 3 top candidates. In one interview series, in particular, I was specifically told that I was the "only woman" and that I answered the difficult questions better than the previous male candidates. This resonated with me very negatively. Needless to say, I didn't get the role.
It happened again, this time for a government role. I spent 6 weeks interviewing with this entity. They were so invested in me as a candidate, that they assigned me a government resume' writer. During this process, the recruiter told me that I had an excellent chance because they were looking for a particular diversity set: white, female, with over 20 years of experience. Again, this didn't sit well. I also didn't get the role. I went through 4 rounds of interviewing and was told by the hiring team that my last conversation would be with the team that I would own in the role. That meeting never came.
The last interview situation happened over the past 2 weeks. I was told that they capped the number of applications off at a certain point and selected their top candidates. The initial meetings went really well. The last was a board interview session of which I wasn't aware of. I only had one person on the invite as an attendee. That was a bit off-putting but not uncommon. They closed my meeting out with telling me it was great to chat and that HR would be reaching out to me on Monday. Monday came, went...so did the rest of the week. I did follow-up and didn't hear anything back until EOD on FRI; Dear jJhn letter no less.
In all of this, I asked for feedback. I was told that I was "too experienced"; not a "cultural fit"; and "better suited for other positions at the company". These are all terms and phrases used in ways to say you are too costly; too old; or the wrong gender.
I didn't accept the gender responses and went straight to the CEOs of the company(ies). I gave feedback as a managing up situation and informed these folks that it is inappropriate to mention that I was "the only woman" interviewing; or that I was a bit older than expected..." I also told the CEO's that they need to have their HR teams coach all of management on how to be more respectful during the entire process. Lastly, I told them that if they are investing that much time in someone, it is very unprofessional to close the loop with generic and insulting canned/template rejection notices.
My experiences with trying to find the next best opportunity has been very upsetting. Recruiters, HR folks, headhunters, all no longer care about the experience set you bring. One of the very first questions I get is "What are you expecting for salary>?" This is not the way to approach hiring. You are losing quality folks by asking how much they want to work before you even talk through the role, company culture, etc. Also, don't breadcrumb and ghost candidates.
I have also been asked what pronoun I want to refer to myself as. I don't give a frig if you are man, woman, or a toad. As long as you come to work to do just that and have a strong character, your pronoun of He/Him/Other or She/Her/Other should have no business in the work place.
In most of my interviews, the executives conducting the meetings aren't dressing professionally either. I have had several men come to a meeting in shorts, hoodies, and simple polo shirts to interview me at the Sr. Director and VP levels. If I am expected to be dressed appropriately (waste up at least!), so should they. One woman wore a sweater that had fur and cat images all over it. Wow, did I feel like I was just a box waiting to be checked off during her interview process!
It is hard to remain optimistic when you consider time of year too. Most companies are now in a lock down or change management period because of EOY, holiday, vacation, etc. Trying to find a job in the Fall is statistically limiting. Throw in a pandemic and scandalous election, and you have the perfect trifecta of limited chance.
I use tools like LinkedIn and others to look and research for roles and opportunities. They are worth the investment, for the most part. My new method of madness is trolling recruiters directly linked to roles I am interested in to get noticed faster and it is working.
I can't change that I am vastly experienced and have certain expectations from the company that I want to work for and with. I also have no control over my gender, ethnicity, etc. I am not embarrassed by any of those. I will ask for feedback during the process and will most certainly let you have it if you are unprofessional.
I want to let all of the women out there in similar situations to mine to know not to lose yourself. Stay true to who you are and what you stand for. Integrity, Professionalism, Compassion, and Courtesy are all traits that the right employer will seek out and find from you.
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I am in a leadership role that I am new to. There is only one person in the company above me (my supervisor) and I am the only person at my level. My supervisor is new as well, both to the company and to this level of leadership. We were both experienced in our prior roles. I'd thought we were working together effectively until last week. On three different occasions, she told me, "good girl," in response to me completing a task or answering a question. All three times it was just the two of us in a meeting about a complex situation. The first two times happened in the same meeting and while I was surprised, I fluffed it off. After the third time, it's all I can think about. You say that to a child or a dog, not a respected employee (or any kind of person!). I'm feeling like it's time to get out as fast as I can, and also that I need to let her know this is not ok. Am I wrong?
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Which way do I go?
I have been with my job for 10.5 years and loved it until the company brought in a new COO last August, who is a racist, discriminatory person. He has been in cahoots with the HR manager and senior execs to oust me since he got here.
He put me on in inaccurate PIP for 90 days and it ends on 1/11/24 which I refuted. I have come to the realization that this is not the place for me but I have not found a job as of yet. I am still looking but need to get out before the PIP expires.
The options are to find another job ( I haven’t gotten 1 single interview yet) or start a business. I am very good at what I do) but question the ability to have an income stream for the first 3-6 months (how long it would take to get my business off the ground).
I know that he plans on terminating me at the end of the PIP, but put me on it for the company’s protection. I feel like I am between a rock and hard place right now. I don’t want a termination to be on my record but I also can’t afford to leave without finding a job.
i never thought in my wildest dreams that I would ever be put on a PIP as I have never been put on 1 before. I have been working for over 40 years. I plan to issue a written response right after Christmas. I didn’t do it before as I need my medical insurance throughout this year and didn’t want to risk being terminated and lose the insurance. Timing is very important.
i have spoken to a couple of employment attorneys and 1 or 2 believe I have a discrimination case.
Any advice or insights would be appreciated..
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I am struggling with a hit in confidence.
Will be let go at the end of the year for reasons that are not me - senior mgmt doesn’t value the role of operations, financial troubles, not our first round of layoffs. And I’ve made peace with leaving but in trying to find something new, have gotten no interviews at all. Probably applied to 70 jobs or so so far. That’s what is hurting my confidence. I know I can do well and in interview but having a hard time getting in the door. Any advice or services that have worked to successfully get you an interview?
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I am working with a new partner for a new project who straight away assumes negative intent.
I need advice on: execs who agree to an approach, yet (seem to) task people in their org to something different, who should manage cross-team turf wars and managing aggressive communications/actions.
We are working on a new project for which there is no precedent. It’s very early, we’re at the vision stage seeking strategic alignment with execs… my exec and their exec agreed on this approach. Then, this persons exec tasked them with a deliverable that is contrary to this approach.
I was out sick. I personally Messaged this person (assigned with the deliverable) to let them know that I could not meet for our first 1:1, (not knowing they had a deliverable for my project) and my slack status clearly said i was out. That didn’t stop the person from writing a message in a public forum that I was unwilling to partner—a group whose support I will need to deliver bold visions.
When I met with them after returning for illness, that is when I came to know that they have a deliverable they want me to green light. This is deliverable is contrary to the approach dictated by the exexs. It’s too soon to agree on on the tactics. This direction was given by their VP— 2/3 levels above this person. This person said they were given this task by the same VP that proposed this strategic alignment approach.
This person accused me of not helping with the deliverable. Something they did not communicate until 3 days before its deadline. I do not have a single email, slack, calendar invite, etc stating this deliverable. Further, this task is contrary to what the overall program has ageed to, a meeting that I was privy to, and this person was not.
Their communications were heated, aggressive, and disrespectful. They explained a concept to me, then, when I was silent (not wanting to get trapped into agreeing to a scope of work that was not my place to agree to, which was clearly her MO for our first 1:1) they assumed that I didn’t understand. They said in a very snarky tone: “well I don’t know how to explain this to you any further, it’s very simple, if you don’t understand this I don’t know what to say.” I feel this is unprofessional communication.
On insight is: they indicated that they came up with this same idea years ago, despite not knowing (and being privy to) leadership conversations that say what the idea is… that seems lilke classic turf wars.
I often tolerate very bad behavior. How can I stop this before it gets out of hand? It seems they are threatened by my role and intend to continue speaking to me in this manner. My belief is, if you wouldn’t speak to an executive that way, don’t Speak to me that way.
i am empathetic To their feeling of being left out, but specifically, I need advice on how I should manage the situation.
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I am a soon to be qualified accountant and I have seen great disparities between different companies in their accounting department.
Unfortunately, I did not qualify via a big 4 company or a top 50 accounting company.
I have worked for both private and FTSE listed companies and have noticed a difference in their accounting methods/styles.
I have spent the majority of my career as an assistant accountant. However, my new role is focused on management accounts and client reporting.
I am nearing 30, and I am very worried I am lacking core accounting experiences that would put me in a favourable position with employers.
My current employer does not have a distinct hierarchy/support systems for promotions or any development opportunities.
I would like to be in a position where I can know the integral parts of accounting which will allow me to be confident in taking on a management role.
I have seen all the finance directors have been ex big four auditors / ex auditors in general so they have a wide breadth of knowledge.
How can I improve my accounting knowledge , so I can learn about all departments and begin to think as a strong accountant.
I would appreciate if someone could provide advise on how to climb the ladder in accounting . My interest do lie in treasury accounting but I believe I have mistakenly joined this company without thinking about the development opportunities available to me.
What is the normal career path of an accountant? I graduated in 2019 .
How can an individual become a strong accountant and differentiate themselves from their competitors?
Thank you in advance.
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I graduated in MS in Supply Chain Management August 2023. I have enormous experience in leadership role in fast moving shipping company based in Asia Pacific. Currently, support family owned Real Estate Investment company where I am in charge of all investment portfolios as a project manager. I am competitive, full of vigor with analytical skills and emotional intelligence. I really want to move career in Supply Chain Management. The only thing that has stood my way is “Fear” of my 63 lifelong experience that can offer so much insight into everything. Please provide me real feedbacks. ?