Can I "demand" a promotion?

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1. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 1:55PM UTC

   Prepare your outcomes and reasons for the promotion, title change, raise (you may get some or all). The reality is that in many companies, experience and longevity don't matter much. Do what you can to be seen, get promoted, get some benefits/learn something new and move on.

   If your boss says do something, you should do it - esp. in this case. It's your call how you help your new peers learn.

   Get something in writing because timing may be a factor.

   Some places reward your ingenuity. Some take. You know your environment better.

   Good luck.

2. AyianOctober 8,2024 at 2:20PM UTC

   You can do whatever you want - but I think you're asking if there's anything you can do to have the outcome you want. If you can't get a call to discuss questions you may have, the answer is already no.

   Teach the plan as it was written. You haven't been promoted to trainer already, so it's not really your job to provide ongoing support for your coworkers in a training capacity. The spirit of what you've been asked to do is to train them into what you know, but what you've been ordered to do is to train them how your superiors want them trained. Do that. The difference between you will remain. If they then want you to train them to know what you know, that's when you have true potential for leverage. Remember that your skillset is specialized and they are understaffed. There is power in that as soon as they realize that they don't know how to write a training manual for what YOU know. If they don't budge, consider taking your specialized skill elsewhere.

3. Beth Whight MoralesOctober 12,2024 at 12:25PM UTC

   Love this answer!

4. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 3:50PM UTC

   I think you can find a new employer who will value your experience and use it for optimization of outdated or incorrect practices. Find one! This is a place that clearly you have outgrown and need to push to the side. Don't expect your Director to suddenly value your opinion based upon what you wrote that is not likely to happen. Good luck.

5. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 6:22PM UTC

   This scenario is why younger managers don't like to hire workers older than them. Sure, you have your experience but there are probably good reasons why the training plan is written the way that it is that you may not be privy to. Lead the training plan how it is, and if it's unsuccessful share your feedback ONLY if you are asked for it.

6. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 7:54PM UTC

   This comment it wild... absolutely WILD. There's no reason why she can't make suggestions and have concerns. Upper management not giving her a chance to give her two cents and listen to those concerns is also WILD. And the minute these two hires are "trained" be her and start to muck stuff up in their jobs guess who the company is going to blame?! Not the director who created the training plan but the person who trained them.

7. AnonymousOctober 9,2024 at 1:40PM UTC

   The fact that this person seems to think she knows more about the situation than her manager is WILD. The fact that this person took a non-managerial role and is still trying to set organizational policy is WILD. The fact that this person thinks their way of doing things is the only way to do them because she is older is WILD. If they muck up, the appropriate response would be that she followed the prescribed training plan and that if management wants to talk about altering that plan based on their suggestions and feedback, she is open to it. I'm willing to bet the OP is the kind of person who would dismiss more junior employees when they made suggestions just because she had more experience, even though a fresh perspective can often spot what the experienced perspective cannot.

8. AnonymousOctober 11,2024 at 12:34PM UTC

   So- being good, if not great at her job is WILD? Her wanting to understand the plan better is WILD? Her flagging some concerns about the material she works with every day and is now expected to train two people on is wild?? A true leader will simply hear her out and take notes. But it seems you and that leader are both too emotionally attached to WORK. It’s not disrespectful to discuss and to add value to the work you do. How you do it matters and managers who aren’t receptive need not be managing people not processes.

9. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 6:29PM UTC

   You may not demand but can present a well thought out request and a facts driven, compelling and smart argument. But I would stay away from demanding anything. That might get you shown the door.

10. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 7:59PM UTC

    You can absolutely demand whatever you want. But like someone else already said, if you can't get an audience with the director to discuss your concerns about the training plan then you may already have your answer. Also, it sounds like they know what you're an SME or they wouldn't be getting you to train. And they know how capable you are, or they wouldn't have you training. Also sounds like they are wanting or hoping that maybe you will slide in some knowledgeable tidbits into the training plan on the side. Prepare to ask for the raise, do your due diligence and give it your all. But be prepared for the no... and while you're at it, update that resume and start seeking out an employer who values you.

11. AnonymousOctober 8,2024 at 8:37PM UTC

    Can you demand a promotion...sure. But I don't think that strategy will turn out well for you. It's arrogant and entitled. Your director isn't accepting feedback on the training manual right now and they've been very clear in telling you to follow the directions. They don't want to make any updates and they're not asking for your input. Keep you head down, follow the instructions and stop trying to up-end someone's process. If you can't do this, time to look for another job.

12. AnonymousOctober 9,2024 at 12:23PM UTC

    I totally understand what you are saying, I'm in the same boat as you. However, I was told with the company I work for if I get a promotion/raise I won't be eligible for the raise and bounce that we allegedly will get next fiscal year. (SMH). I know I'm being taken advantage of, but I still need this job for right now.

13. GirlBossanova934974October 9,2024 at 12:29PM UTC

    As an older worker myself, this is what I often see from younger managers aka the Director in this case. A lot of insecurity and "fake it until you make it" type of thinking. Unfortunately, the "fake it" part has a tendency to last far too long. An experienced manager KNOWS that IF the new hires come up short in their training, people are going to question the manager. It was their plan, right? As such, I would be looking for another job. Let the Director fall flat on his/her rump, when the new hires come up short. This outfit is telling that they are NOT going to compensate you one penny more for training their people. I WOULD BE LONG GONE with a 2 week notice in my hand at the first opportunity. My bet? This Director will probably be doing same after a few more bumbles and fumbles. They always seem to find another easy mark to put it over on.

14. AnonymousOctober 10,2024 at 12:56PM UTC

    You can "Demand" anything you want - but most likely you won't be given a thing.

    Need to take a different approach of presenting facts, information in a nonconfrontational way. Then negotiate from there.

15. AnonymousOctober 10,2024 at 12:58PM UTC

    If the plan is poor and is going to fail, then it's probably better to follow the plan to the letter and let it fail. You can ask about being promoted to a lead, but if they don't do it then let them know the other tasks that you have on your plate that won't get done because you need to spend that time executing the training plan instead. In the meantime, probably worth looking for a new job to see what's out there. Good luck!

16. DeborahORellOctober 11,2024 at 12:48PM UTC

    The first question would ask is WHY do you feel you are not being promoted or treated as you feel your experience warrants?

    Is it because of your age? race? sex? disability? Then you may have legal grounds to go after your employer.

    If you feel the real reason is because you work for a jerk, then you may not have any legal leverage to negotiate.

    you may want to contact an employment discrimination law firm or two in your area just to be sure.

17. AnonymousOctober 13,2024 at 7:14AM UTC

    You can ask for a raise and promotion by talking it out with your boss, citing your increased responsibilities and having reached seniority.

18. AnonymousOctober 14,2024 at 1:10PM UTC

    Since your request to at least have a conversation has literally, fallen on deaf ears, it's time to dust off your resume and begin shopping your skills elsewhere.

19. AnonymousOctober 14,2024 at 4:09PM UTC

    Many years ago, I went through a similar situation. I ended up writing my own paperwork for a promotion and my bosses signed it. Be your own advocate and do it yourself.

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