WWYD?

WWYD?

I dislike my job and have for quite some time so I’m actively looking. I’ve recently begun reporting to someone new as my previous manager found an opportunity outside the company. This is the 6th person I have reported to in almost 5 years.

The newest person inherited us and a few of us (middle management) agree that it probably wasn’t the best fit (being under him/his organization).

He’s brash, over talks people, and has IMO been unprofessional in his tone, approach, and his verbiage. For example, during an MS Teams call, he kept hammering at someone and then said to the guy, “I’m just asking, no need to get defensive.” Not one time was this guy defensive. He didn’t talk defensively, wasn’t argumentative, literally nothing. Yet he used the word defensive.

During another call he hammered again at another peer. You could tell she felt exasperated and defeated. I then heard her say, “I can’t” and a few moments later, her avatar was no longer visible meaning she left the call.

On a different occasion I asked a question/made a comment regarding an issue they were discussing and his reply suggested that not only did I not know what I was talking about but that these companies are high valued companies worth millions or who were paying us loads of money—giving me the impression that my inquiry didn’t matter as it (and possibly I) were too low on the totem pole to even register. I guess what I mean is, I felt devalued. As if this issue exceeded my capacity, my position, my knowledge, etc.

I’ve decided that going forward, I will speak as little as possible as I can no longer give him an opportunity to belittle me.

During a business dinner he said to me, “X, order whatever you’d like.” He didn’t say it to anyone else and he said it not once, not twice, but THREE times. I felt put on the spot. Why single me out? Especially when I was the only POC at the table. His gesture didn’t feel welcoming. It felt like it came from a place of power, it felt demeaning, and it felt presumptuous as if it to say or make one feel like where we were was somewhere I couldn’t dine on my own. Why not “offer” the same gesture to everyone? Again, I felt singled out. Like I was some poor girl from the other side of the tracks who couldn’t possibly be used to fine dining or anything of the sort.

Under his leadership I’ve sunken into some what of a depression. I do not look forward to our 1:1’s. Promises he made when he first came about development for me and my team have fallen below the wayside and/or he has back tracked.

I learned that you can’t coach up, so I certainly can’t talk to him about my own experience with him and certainly won’t put on a cape and discuss what I’ve witnessed as far as his interactions with other. I’m smart enough to know I also can’t go to HR. He would really have to get feedback from someone on his level (SVP) or higher… but if they don’t know, how will he learn or be coached that he is creating an environment that some of us loathe? The person who dropped from the meeting I mentioned earlier said if it doesn’t improve, she’d be looking for a new job and she’s been there going on almost twenty years.

I’m certified in emotional intelligence so I understand the importance of forging good working relationships and this ain’t it!

Until I can find another job, what can I do in the meantime to manage this situation?

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  1. Anonymous

    If you're certified in emotional intelligence you can read the situation and person exactly. Exactly. So you keep your head down, you say as little as possible, you deliver excellent work and understand there is no "managing the situation " beyond staying under the radar..To stay healthy and manage your mental health you spend all your personal time engaged with things your enjoy and people you love and support you. You don't talk about your situation on and on because you will be investing in toxicity. You learn to redirect your thoughts and energy to the present and invest all that added energy to you as a person and your search for a,new job, your healthy personal life and your joy. It will take time and effort but you can't change this person. So why stress over them.

  2. Sarah Borders

    I think you’ve given a thorough assessment of the situation, and the only work-related option would be to talk to one of his peers that you trust about his poor leadership. That would be important especially once you do find a new role and want to set your team up for success as you leave. The rest of my advice is you-specific because it sounds like that’s all you can control in this situation: Do only what is required of you, and nothing else. No overtime. Make sure you take breaks every day, including a full lunch break where you walk away from your desk (and, if you work onsite, out of the building). Tell someone close to you and outside of work about how you are feeling, and ask them to check in with you regularly. When you are not at work, job seeking, or sleeping, do something that relaxes you or stimulates your brain in a complete different way than the work you are paid to do. Hang in there!

  3. Anonymous

    Does your company have an ethics (whistleblower) hotline? Most have the option to post a complaint anonymously. I had a similar situation and I worked up through the “proper” channels for years. It wasn’t until I went to the hotline that I got any traction. If you file a complaint and he continues this type of behavior towards you, you can also file a retaliation complaint. It sounds like this guy is a liability to the company and needs serious coaching. In the meantime, take care of yourself and try to fly under the radar as much as possible. And seriously…the restaurant comment…YUCK. I’m so sorry you had to deal with that, it makes my skin crawl.

  4. Anonymous

    If he’s a SVP, nothing will change until he makes a big mistake that causes delivery issues/financial hit to the company, or a direct report files a legal complaint. His leadership probably already knows about him and is not going to do anything to correct it, otherwise. I’m so sorry.

  5. Anonymous

    The only way you can address this is during an exit interview. As the SVP there is no way they are interested in him changing.

  6. Anonymous

    It's a turn of phrase. Not a literal certification.

  7. ppines

    It's not a turn of phrase.

  8. Anonymous

    First, keep your emphasis on your job search. Your mission is to move on and concentrate on your life outside work.

    Second, it is probable that your company has bigger problems than your manager. The fact that you’ve had five managers in six years is a red flag. That re-emphasizes that moving on and enjoying your life outside work should be your top priorities.

    There are three strategies to manage your current situation:

    1)Attempt to use your excellent interpersonal skills to gain your manager’s trust and support. Is this worth a try (or not)?

    2)Alternatively, use the Gray Rock technique at work. Do just enough work to avoid criticism, lie low and withdraw emotionally.

    3)Keep your focus on your job search and your life and relationships outside work. Leave any work matters at the office and devote your time outside work to living well, expanding your horizons and moving to a new job. Be sure to take sufficient time for self-care, exercise and activities that will uplift you.

  9. Anonymous

    Why not create an anonymous external email and define what is going wrong and what you have witnessed. You can also post this on blind. You have to speak up even if it means doing so in a veil of secrecy to get some sort of relief. As an alternative can you speak to the skip level leadership? Someone or all of you need to join together to get some kind of information out about his behavior. Good luck it seems like looking for something new if you cannot move departments might be the only solid end to this. I work in HR and sorry to hear you cannot count on your HR team to help solve. If it were my company I would have your back and he would be spoken to immediately with a full 360 investigation.

  10. Anonymous

    Yikes! Start documenting everything. It will only get worse.

  11. Anonymous

    I've been there too and completely understand your situation. There is no question, most of your peers are looking so it is a question of who will be the last person standing. My main suggestion would be to not talk to anyone internally about the bad manager you report to. It will be tempting because it always feels good to get stuff off your chest to someone in the same situation. I've done this and been burned by the person (also miserable) who let my manager know I was unhappy in an effort to put herself in a better light. That's my big suggestion. Hope it helps and good luck with the search!

  12. Anonymous

    If you’re able to, use FMLA to protect your sanity. Sounds like you already have an exit plan. When your mental and physical wellbeing suffers as a result of “abuse”/toxic work environments, it’s time to re-evaluate.

    I know it sounds completely cliche to say “Life is too short”, but it is and you have to protect your wellness. It’s non-negotiable.

  13. EMILY KIKUE FRANK

    This stinks and I'm sorry. This sounds like a great reason for some quiet quitting or, as others have suggested, asking for some FMLA. If you go the quiet quitting route, that just means you only do the work that needs doing, no extra effort, and minimal contact with him-- as little as possible to do your work, really. Best of luck!

  14. Maggie Soldano

    I agree with Emily. Talk to your doctor about a medical leave to address your depression. If you can't get that, keep your head down at work and put all your saved energy into looking for new work. This is all just temporary and you'll find a new manager that cares if you're getting what you need.

  15. ppines
  16. ppines

    It's a cleverly constructed sentence, finely wrought witticism or deft turn of phrase needs nothing to clarify or punctuate. For example, instead of saying “wife,” a man might refer to her as “my better half.”

  17. Anonymous
    1. take care of yourself and prioritize your mental health. If you need a leave of absence - be sure to document that with HR so you cannot be punished for taking time off.
    2. If your company has as confidential hotline - report him and his actions. Hopefully they launch an investigation and speak with all members of the team to understand these aren't isolated instances but a large problem that needs to be addressed (exiting him from the company).
  18. LORI-ANN BURLINGAME

    Unfortunately, many companies change managers instead of resolving underlying issues. It sounds like you work for such a company.

    You may want to schedule a 1:1 meeting with your new manager. This can help clarify your role and their expectations of you.

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