Need advice navigating multiple leaders.

Need advice navigating multiple leaders. I have a manager on paper I report to for all personnel issues. However, when it comes to my real workload/day-to-day business function, I have a dotted line reporting structure to another leader who actually ranks higher than my own manager. Mind you, both leaders report to the same VP, so essentially, they're teammates.

The dilemma I'm often confronted with and have observed on more than one occasion is navigating how to work in the nuance of this "unofficial" leadership report structure.

My direct manager wants to remain informed , which is fine but I don't actually need to seek their approval on anything since it's not their scope of work/not in their purview.

I just had an awkward convo with my manager yesterday (they brought it up, not me) where I believe they feel like "out of the loop" (not their literal words, just picking up on vibes) with my work and wanted to reassure that I feel supported by them. I was a bit confused...still confused because they actually can't support me on my direct work that much when I'm basically being told to work with the other manager directly.

Additionally, the other manager and I have a great working relationship and because they have fuller knowledge about their area, and they keep an open door policy with me since they're the one assigning me my work.

I've had to navigate juggling multiple leaders before but for some reason, this has been on the most jumbled up experiences I've had and frankly, it's exhausting. Y'all have any thoughts or advice here?

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  1. Barb Hansen

    What you’re describing is working in a matrixed reporting structure, even if the company doesn’t formally call it that. Functionally, you have two managers with different scopes, priorities, and expectations, and that can get messy fast.

    There’s actually quite a bit of good guidance out there on how to survive, and even thrive, in matrixed organizations, so I’d recommend searching for “how to work with two managers in a matrixed company.” It helps to know that what you’re experiencing is common, not a personal failure or a communication gap on your part.

    Practically speaking, here’s what I would do:

    I’d have a direct conversation with your formal manager and ask how they want to be kept informed. Not approval, just visibility. That reframes the relationship away from control and toward transparency.

    After your first update, I’d proactively ask something like, “Is there anything you’d like to weigh in on or any advice you’d offer?” They may say they don’t have anything to add and that’s fine, but it signals respect, inclusion, and openness.

    Often, the discomfort you’re sensing isn’t about the work itself; it’s about feeling sidelined or out of the loop. Giving your manager a predictable, low-friction way to stay informed can reduce tension without pulling them into decisions that aren’t in their scope.

    Matrix roles are exhausting, especially when expectations aren’t explicit. Clarifying communication norms, rather than trying to please everyone intuitively, can make this much more manageable.

  2. Anonymous

    Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your feedback. I'll definitely look into matrix orgs and tips on how to navigate them further. I love your suggestion on reframing convos (away from control and more toward transparency) with my formal manager.

  3. Tiana Mumford

    Greetings,I would ask for clarity and ask the expectations , and let the manager know what you perceived in the past how the structure was working, then ask has there been any changes that you are unaware of.All you can do is what you know to do. That way you can try to avoid the nonsense and unessary meetings and conversations for the future. Blessings

  4. Anonymous

    Yes! Thank you so much for your input.

  5. Eileen Redmond

    I work in a similar 'matrixed' situation. The product manager directs my work, and I have a different reporting manager who has little knowledge or oversight of my day to day. However- importantly- they DO have control over my raises and promotions. I have 30ish minutes every Friday to send them a high-level overview of projects, statuses, roadblocks, issues/concerns ( those I'm willing to put in writing), and accomplishments. I just update weekly in a rolling fashion, like if I document a roadblock one week, I update with any changes the next week. Its not a lot of overhead for me, and keeps him informed so he has no surprises when talking with his 'peers' ie; the PM I work with regulary.

    every one is happy and I have a record of my work at review time.

  6. Anonymous

    Love this! I definitely could improve on my 1x1 update approach with my direct manager. Thanks for sharing and great to hear has been effective for you.

  7. Sheila

    Would it help if you provide a generic weekly written update? That may smooth some ruffled feathers and just let people know what you are working on, so they feel included and "in the loop" so to speak

    • Attend staff meeting on Tuesday - discussed Blah
    • Working on Project XYZ - provided updates on Digital outcomes to so & so

    Sometimes that is all they want.

  8. Anonymous

    Yes, I've tried this approach well! The issue I ran into is that these updates (which are posted in a Slack channel) got overlooked or didn't produce any feedback/sign off when I needed it. I also produce short video recordings too!

    I still do them though because if nothing more, I can always point back to a timestamp of when I provided said update so it doesn't appear as a lapse of me under-communicating.

    I don't mind over-communicating, I guess, I'm just trying to make sure I strike the right balance in giving people the info they need while also remaining productive on my deliverables.

  9. Anonymous

    Go to the higher level person and explain to the this dilemma, ask them to come up with a way to keep your direct manager informed but not in tiny nuanced ways so that you have to get permission to do things the way they have smoothly been working so far. Perhaps a joint meeting once a week, or month (depending upon how often it makes sense) will fix this small problem. It doesn't sound like a power play that you are dealing with but more of a they want to know kind of thing which would be much easier to fix. Don't get caught in the cross fire should they have issues with one another, if any of that ensues step away and let them work it out without your presence. Be sure after you work to solve this that you do it as you have brokered with them so that it does not fall into the same problem again.

    You can do this!

  10. Anonymous

    Thank you so much! Exactly correct, this is not a power play situation; it's all about making sure I keep both informed. I had a meeting the other day with the higher level person this week to connect about this very dilemma of keeping folks informed. We discussed bringing back our meeting loop back because it appeared those worked. However, I'm also aware that meeting culture at work is also something we're trying to improve too.

    I'm willing to try the meetings out again to see if that helps improve communication. Thank you again for your input and support! I can definitely do this!! ;)

  11. Anonymous

    OP above: Glad I could help with some wise advice. Often once you get the wheels back on track you will find those meetings will happen less and less or be shorter and shorter. If you adopt an approach that is used in many engineering organizations, a daily 15 minute stand up works great. If you are all in the same place you do it daily, and set priority expectations and workflows in that stand up (no chairs, just standing and talking) and then regroup the next day about what was done and needs doing for the next day, etc. etc.

  12. Anonymous

    Feeling out of the loop is that manager's problem. Covering up their insecurities but framing it in terms of supporting you is their way of hiding their need for control . No big deal. Just nod and thank them for their support. Steer clear of their paranoia whereevee possible. Don't trust what they say and watch their motivation with an understanding that everything they do is about them.

  13. Anonymous

    I feel this way, too! I agree that remaining aware is key. They often say things to me like "it's about visibility" but I decode that as "I don't understand what you're doing and because I don't see it, I don't know what's happening" (which is untrue, just paraphrasing what I pick up at times). At the same time, they often punt a lot of my sign off/feedback loop to the senior director to have the final say. Literally, they bring up "have you talked to XYZ, I think they'd be the best person" = this is how they're "coaching and supporting me." And I don't feel that's "guidance" when I have 1x1s with my senior director, anyway and I usually already have their sign off so yeah...lol It's wild. Thank you for this advice! Much appreciated.

  14. Anonymous

    Start a weekly wrap up for your direct manager. Send them a summary every Friday of what you've done in the week and what's in the pipeline that way they can see what you are working on and if there is something they can do to help or need to be aware of.

    Secondarily. This weekly wrap up can serve you as a list of what you've accomplished in the week which can then be used for reviews or for your own benefit. Sometimes we are so busy doing our work we forget to take a moment to notice what we have accomplished.

  15. Christi Lopez

    Exactly this. I had a director who didn't really know what I did. I keep my project list in Microsoft To Do, with all my notes (dates of contact, status, etc.). I proactively started sending her a weekly update (which was just my To Do list printed to PDF) and she loved it.

  16. Anonymous

    Oooo! Love this. I'm going to try this out. Thank you for this tip.

  17. Anonymous

    I'm curious if you have regular 1:1s with your direct manager and how you 'prove' your worth since they have no clue about your job/leadership/level of work.

    I'm in the same situation (except my dotted-line is to someone higher than me, but who also reports to my same manager), and I find the whole thing asinine and a complete waste of time -- talk about inefficiency! I have 1:1s with both of them AND a meeting with the two of them. My issue is that the dotted line goes to someone who doesn't technically have oversight over my work (though I imagine she wishes she did)--I operate pretty autonomously after a restructure--so there's awkwardness with both of the them for me. Honestly, it's misery-inducing and I feel unvalued and unwanted by both of them.

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