I wrote in a while ago about a long-time senior staffer who has been at my org for 30+ years and has started bullying me.

I wrote in a while ago about a long-time senior staffer who has been at my org for 30+ years and has started bullying me.

Well, since then, other older female staffers of the same age, in their late 50s and 60s, have joined in with her, nitpicking at my work, even asking to review it (saying they want to factcheck) and sometimes introducing errors into it. Before they, what, discovered they wanted to mess with me, no one has expressed any issue with my work-- in fact, all of management, mostly men, have said my work is great and they're happy to have my expertise.

I'm in my 40s and new so I wonder if these women see me as some sort of easy target. I've been there for quite some time now and received a great review already. I feel like these 4 people are mobbing me simply because they can and they want to put me into my place for some reason. I know how to write reports and create great presentations, but they seem to be trying to create some kind of track record that I'm inept. My supervisor is male and has been there for several years. I think he's well aware of the situation but doesn't want to push their buttons because they're some sort of powerful clique. I'm starting to feel like I need to ask for a transfer. Is there any way to salvage the situation?

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  1. Anonymous

    It may seem scary but you may need to confront them with your own "receipts" of how they seem to be nitpicking with you.
    Talking to your supervisor and letting him know you feel somewhat uncomfortable might help you in the long run if they are in fact trying to show you are inept. If you decide to confront them, be prepared for the conversation as "gaslighting" might be present and feel free to take notes of what they tell you- even if you physically have to take out a pen and paper in front of them. This way they know you are documenting everything they say to you and know you mean business/ are serious about the way they are treating you. Hopefully it helps.

  2. Anonymous

    I agree that the receipts are important here to really show what's going on. And to have an open conversation about it with your boss — not just to confirm he knows, but that he knows how it's affecting your work.

  3. Echo Schneider

    Sadly some companies allow toxic culture and cancer employees to stay. I would consider your options to seek out a company with a healthier culture from the top down. Your health and wellness are too valuable to tolerate that kind of workplace stress.

  4. ILHAM ALAM

    Do you have an HR department? If yes, it’s time to get your supervisor and management and HR involved. Let them know about this workplace bullying, complete with dates, times and instances (better write these down). I would suggest even doing a written complaint, as words on paper and your management has to deal with this.

    also, indicate that your performance reviews show no issues with your work, yet there are these 4 women who are undermining you and ganging up on you, when they didn’t do this to you before. Indicate that they haven’t indicated why they suddenly find your work to be a problem. As hurtful as their behaviour is, keep the tone professional and objective.

    I wish you all the best. Some people have such sad and pathetic lives that they only gain pleasure at bullying others and giving others hell. This has more to do with them, than it does with you.

  5. Paula Brantner

    I do not want to generalize about generations, but my own workplace experience has been that women who are part of the Baby Boomer generation are more likely to view other (younger) women in the workplace as threats.

    They are used to either being the only woman, or having to carve out a territory for themselves, which causes them to feel threatened by a younger woman. And they had to fit in with the guys in order to keep the peace in the office, so they sometimes adopt the same strategies that they see others developing.

    Knowing that might be useful, but also enlisting your supervisor to figure out what can be done to insulate you from their scrutiny, whether it's more clearly delineating the chain of command, having him cover for you if you say "I have to check with him first" before turning over work, or finding some of the other senior managers to protect you....basically looking for ways to keep them out of your business and to determine the source of their insecurity that leads to their bullying behavior.

  6. Anonymous

    Do not generalize about age. I am in my sixties and have had the opposite happen where younger women took that stance. I do not feel it is age related but they may feel threatened by anyone who they perceive can perform their duties as well as or better than them, regardless of age.

  7. Lisa Marie

    Generalizing in any form can be negative, yes. However, respectfully, you *are not there* and do not know how the clique performs their job tasks, so you cannot realistically have any sort of "feeling" about the situation, only an "opinion" based on your own beliefs and personal actions.

    Your own values are not at play in the OP's workplace.

  8. Anonymous

    Respectfully none of us are there but can offer opinions based on what we have encountered in the workplace. I am not minimizing what happened to her but offering what I have encountered in the 40 years I have been working. I will think twice before offering a comment again since "my values" are not at play.

  9. Paula Brantner

    Differing opinions are fine, but you specifically instructed me not to generalize about age, after I said that I was trying not to do that, but was focusing on what my own experience has been during the 40 years I've been working.

  10. Paula Brantner

    I specifically said I was not generalizing, but speaking of my own workplace experience.

    Yours is different than mine, obviously, but "feel[ing] threatened by anyone who they perceive can perform their duties as well as or better than them" has a high correlation with age because the younger person who can perform their duties as well is able to do so with fewer years of experience, and potentially a lower cost to the employer.

    So given the prevalence of age discrimination, younger employees may bear the brunt of the older employees' insecurities about what the *employer* will do if required to choose between who to retain.

  11. Yuna

    I'm also in the 40's and the men in their 50's onward targetd me for elimination. Some began mobbing me when I refused sexual advances. The increased cruitiny is abominable. Make sure to document and record. You will also need to file a formal complaint if you may later file a law suit against the company. Make sure to get therapy, take medicaiton if need be and get people on your side indirectly by maintaining a great relationship with allies.

  12. Anonymous

    I have a couple of thoughts about this. First, if these coworkers are not at a supervisory level above you and are not expected to be reviewing your work as an assigned duty, they are wasting company time and should learn to stay in their own lane. Second, I recommend reading the book called BIFF at Work: Your Guide to Difficult Workplace Communication to get some ideas for handling rude or tense situations (see: https://www.highconflictinstitute.com/bookstores/biff-at-work). Third, and this is exhausting, document any incidents for HR follow up.

  13. Anonymous

    The clique apparently is feeling somewhat inscure in their own jobs and the only way they can assure their longevity is by attacking you, a younger member of the department.
    I suggest documenting, by date/time/who, all prior interactions to back your story and be prepared to provide physical proof of them where possible. Be sure to log any new interactions too. Make a formal calendar invite to discuss your issue with your manager and ask them if they have directed these ladies to pseudo-manage you and review your work. Ask this boss to intercede and make these ladies stop. Make it clear that you expect your boss to give you an update regarding his follow-up with these ladies by xx/xx date as your next step will be to go to HR and file a complaint. If the boss has taken no action after a week or two and fails to follow up with a plan acceptible to you and if the clique continutes their attacks, take your journal, proof, and complaints to HR and discuss your options. At least this way, you've given your boss a chance to address it without being blindsided by HR and it is all documented. Good luck!

  14. Anonymous

    They are 100% feeling insecure and that you are a better performer than they are (& you probably are!) Plus, you get along with the male managers better. Pleasantly tell (ask sort of) your manager that you’d prefer sending your reports straight to him so that it is more timely. Assuming he says yes, then do it. When the catty women figure it out, simply say you & he agreed he needed it in a more timely manner & wanted it directly sent to him.

  15. Anonymous

    Be sure to document, document, document along the way and before going to HR. Be sure to have a set of physically printed copies of the paperwork at home.

    When you do go to HR, or whatever reporting you do, let each party you report to know you have a thorough paper trail of the treatment, and that includes why the treatment doesn’t fit core values of the workplace, and why the treatment is irregular, and why the treatment has also been directed at sabotaging your work, undermining your abilities, and creating obstacles at focusing on the rest of your work while feeling harassing toward you.

    Don’t be surprised if that nice male boss is involved. I also would not be surprised if you have protected, covered disability you haven’t shared. Older women have lots of insight from lived experience. Sadly, there are so-called progressive workplace that go to great lengths to shed employees with invisible physical, sensory, and mental health disabilities because they view you as expensive and a lot of employers teach staff that asking for accommodation (for invisible disabilities) is gaming the system.

    What ultimately happens in these slick, engineered workplaces is the assumptions about disability symptoms and side effects get attacked until you have one moment of lack of composure that gets used as discipline against you.

    It’s the fact that you’re 40 that leads me to this suspicion, so do some reading.

    Most of all save those documents and be aware that your IT team can FWD all the emails you send and receive to a 3rd party in your office without you knowing and even if it violates the “normal course of business provision.”

    Last, keep the first and second drafts of everything you write, and print out all the changes sent to you and the final product. No kidding my female boss in her 40’s when i was almost 23 in an elite fellowship began editing my material ruthlessly. I tutored at a writing center for 3 yrs. She comes to my office after 5 pm with the almost final draft (8 versions later with just two red pen marks.) She said she didn’t realize i was such a bad writer.

    I pulled out the first draft to her since I caught on to what was happening and i already practiced document control. I told her the way she treated me was unacceptable and to never do it again. Her jaw dropped, then closed, and she never pulled that again. Sure she might have edits, but either 0-2 pass backs and that was it.

    I wish i wouldn’t have let other women steal my moxy as I aged. The worst us when at 35 you look 25 and the men and women around you, of the same age and older treat you like a crappy upstart who thinks they are a know-it-all who hasn’t earned their strips.

    In hindsight i would have hung all my dated diplomas, awards, and professional certifications, and hey, maybe even my age, to be treated as the subject matter expert i was hired there to be.

    My major female boss there was less than one year older than me. She had dull thin skin, brittle and dry hair, and sort of sunken eyes from a clear addition to under-eating and over-running. Her job dropped too, when she learned my age.

    We all have our demons. The point is to not actively target people.

  16. Anonymous

    The critics are usually guilty of what they are accusing you of. It sounds like they feel insecure and view you as a threat. If I were you, I would first tell them they should stick to critiquing their own work. If it continues, be sure to document the interactions and discuss them with your boss. If he doesn't help, escalate it to HR. Good luck to you, I hope you can work this all out.

  17. Laura Ann Klein

    lateral incivility is actionable with HR in most organizations. Keep a log of your interactions with these people, save all email and IM/slack interactions. Copy your boss on everything. After a month of this, file a grievance with HR. No one should be treated like this.

  18. Vanda Lee

    It’s clique jealousy….probably because they view your performance as a threat or at least the 1st one did & she’s rallied the troops to get on her bandwagon. If you don’t report directly to them, when they ask to review your work, tell them no, that you’ve never been given directive to do so. I would document every instance of this workplace bullying for a few weeks & then discuss with your manager. If you don’t get any action (document that conversation as well) move on to HR. In the mean time, politely stand up for yourself & don’t take their sh*t.

  19. Karen Gongaware

    If they are NOT your boss or supervisor, tell them to go take a hike. You need to stand up for yourself. I don't let anyone who isn't my boss look at my work. None of their business. How are they introducing errors to your work? Lock it for editing and they can't do crap. Again, if not your boss they can go away.

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