Is it even worth it to pitch a new, promoted position for myself internally when I already feel so burnt out and lied to by my current company about growth? Or should all my energy be put into external jobs?

Is it even worth it to pitch a new, promoted position for myself internally when I already feel so burnt out and lied to by my current company about growth? Or should all my energy be put into external jobs?

I’ve been dealing with a very stressful work situation that I’d appreciate some advice on, especially if anyone has ever been in a similar situation. It just feels like such a mess …

So, my current job for the past 2.5 years is that I lead the marketing strategy for a division of a much larger company. I have a lot of autonomy, fully make leadership decisions in lockstep with the sales team I partner with, etc. I’m essentially acting as a CMO for a specific product/platform within a larger company without, you know, the title, respect, or salary of a CMO.

I’ve been actively advocating for myself to be promoted to at least the Director level (the next level from what I am now).

Toward the end of 2023, I asked my direct boss (I’ll call him “Greg”) what I could do to advance. He told me I’m doing all the right things, but to immerse myself even more in client meetings to fuel my marketing strategy and partner more directly with the Sales leaders. My boss’s boss (I’ll call him “Jack”) gave me the same advice.

So, I did that. Then, last spring and summer, both Greg and Jack told me on more than one occasion that I was doing a great job growing my role and influence, that they felt confident in submitting me by the end of year review cycle, that they were advocates for me to become a Director, etc. At one point, I even explicitly asked, “While I know these things can take time at the corporate level, are you saying you will personally support me in submitting me end of year for the Director promotion?” I was told yes.

Then, toward the end of 2024, when my career growth came up, Greg suddenly acted confused as to why I thought he and Jack were submitting me. He was angry and annoyed that I been “bold” enough to send him and Jack proof points (I.e., bullets that showcased my tangible impact on revenue)—aka something they both had previously encouraged me to do in order to “help them help me” make the case for my promotion.

During that same meeting, his language around a promotion shifted to a vague “it’s just been a possibility” and that I was “never told” I’d definitely be submitted (not true). He ended up yelling and ranting at me that I “wasn’t at the director level” (despite the proof points I had to show otherwise and despite what I had been told) and that I “took too many vacation days” (not even true), adding that I took “two weeks off that past month alone” (I had taken zero days off that month, so that alone was bizarre from him …)

I’m not sure if what I’m writing is clearly reflecting this, but I genuinely left that meeting feeling scared and shaken up for how mean and intense he had been. I’m not proud of this, but I work hard and am really career-focused, and ended up crying in my apartment that night from how betrayed and confused I felt.

Meanwhile, around the same time, Jack had reaffirmed he had “zero doubts” about submitting me for the promotion.

Then, as the end of 2024 approached, I ended up having another conversation with Greg, and then Jack. Greg was kinder this time, but now more firmly said I wouldn’t be promoted end of this year, saying I “wasn’t quite at director level.” I asked if he could give me specifics as to why I’m not since I have proof points that clearly demonstrate my leadership, how my efforts tie back to revenue growth, etc … he just vaguely said “it’s just there or it’s not.” Wtf…?

Soon after, Jack told me it’s not personal, that “no one” is getting promoted right now. Then (yep, there’s even more *sigh*), a few weeks ago, I’m told that apparently my role is “capped” anyway —aka there’s, I guess, never been any chance of promotion anyway.

I feel like I’m in a fun house right now. I feel demoralized and defeated.

Presently, I am actively looking at and applying for external roles and leveraging my network as much as I can.

But there’s a final point. There’s a restructure happening at the larger company where the part of the company I do marketing for is shifting to another part of the company, which will likely lead me to having a totally new direct boss and, honestly, probably more work.

since I can’t control how quickly I’ll get an external job, I’ve thought about essentially detailing the Director-level job description I’d want and pitching it. But … with all this jerking around that’s already happened, is that even worth it? Jack and Greg both keep stressing how this restructure will open up more opportunities for my growth, but how can I trust that?

I’m doubtful if pitching a job/promotion would lead to anything more than anything dead end at this company or, worse, they take the job description I write and hire someone else for it

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  1. Anonymous

    I've been in the position of having the carrot dangled in front of me, and it has never come through. The longer it has been happening, the less likely it will happen. I once was told that I was the perfect candidate for the management position, and a few months later, they promoted a guy with less than a year's experience (who I trained, no less). Management will do what it wants, and if you are not on its radar after multiple attempts at advocating for yourself, it's time to move on.

  2. Anonymous

    Will the reorg give you different high-level contacts? Because jumping over these two who weren't straight with you (or who were, but then chose a strange gas-lighting approach to changing realities) would probably be a good move.

  3. Anonymous

    Do both: position yourself for a Director role in the new org AND continue looking for an external Director role.

  4. fduntv

    I wouldn’t trust them. They might be gaslighting you, in order to protect their own interests and positions. Keep your options open and go ahead with your plans to apply for different positions at the company and elsewhere.

  5. LMBulls

    Like LeBron…take your talents to South Beach…and be at peace leaving. Never negotiate or devalue your worth. What you bring to this company, you can take to another.

  6. Anonymous

    I recommend writing to the manager who yelled at you and state exactly what happened, detailed how he yelled at you, and left you feeling confused as to what was advised to you on how to demonstrate ROI with screenshots and intimidated. Even if it was a while ago, write it to him and detail when it happened, you felt intimidated to bring up previously, but need to share this feedback with him in hopes that this type of behavior never occurs again.

    If he has half a brain, he will recognize you are documenting this to report to HR/ER or will do so if he does this again.

    Unfortunatley, he probably won't like that email and may do underhanded things to compromise your position or just not speak up for you in rooms when it is time to co-sign your work.

    You do not want to stay under this toxic gaslighting leader anyway. I say make the pitch for the new role as long as you don't have to report that that bully. But also, keep looking for another role. Work your network, let others in the company know you are searching for another role. When you merge with the larger org, get time on the calendar with the decision makers right away and share that you have been working towards a Director role for XYZ years with XYZ demonstrated ROI and are eager to make a move. Share you understand promotions may have paused due to reorgs, but are eager to align on how you can achieve the Director position. It's important you are getting time with the new leaders, they will be the ones making those decisions. And be prepared to share names of other stakeholders who have experienced your work and can speak to your impact. Ask if they can support you in this journey. Closed mouths don't get fed.

  7. Anonymous

    You stopped me dead in my tracks at "yelling and ranting" that was where you should have turned your back and walked out of that conversation. When and if that does happen treat the person like a dog or child. Turn your back walk out of the conversation.

    Next, it seems like there is some strife happening at your boss' level and the skip levels that is causing them panic. In any restructuring they look at compressing levels and eliminating sometimes unnecessary staff. Maybe they are both or at least Greg is shaking in his boots. I would if I were you focus on finding external roles where the function and title are Director. When asked why you are making a move blame the restructuring and let them know you are being considered for a Director role in your current company but want to explore other places where you can take your strong skills. Use the metrics that you built where you are as proof of your success and how you can fast add value. Also in most bigger companies Directors manage managers who manage IC's. Show your strong leadership because if you have that and can show how you also build up your team and others that will help. Directors usually also do things that help the overall company not just a division. Can you show that too? If you are not in the loop on the high level mechanics of how the restructure will affect you then you really don't have as much control as you think. One last thing, stop the tears, use your strength and backbone to get what you need and deserve because you do leave your emotions out of this completely as you are dealing with men who just don't get it.

  8. Anonymous

    You’re so right. I’ve dealt with a lot of trauma in my life, from an emotionally abusive mother and an abusive former partner and, honestly, that yelling/ranting experience with my boss activated my nervous system in such a terrible way.

    and I 100% needed that last point. You’re completely right. Thank you!

  9. Anonymous

    If Jack and Greg are considered "director level" at your company but you're not, I think you've just been paid an enormous compliment. Do you really want to work at a company that considers those two jerks leadership material? You deserve so much better! Take your talents elsewhere, and the hell with them.

  10. Anonymous

    You’re right! I definitely feel silly believing them and not applying sooner (have really just started)

  11. Anonymous

    No need to feel silly! It's human nature to want to believe people have our best interests at heart, but alas, sometimes they don't. Best of luck to you!!

  12. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I’ve experienced this. Remember there are many toxic bosses who do not have your best interest in mind.

    They were gaslighting you and quite frankly, they’re probably intimidated by your drive and skills that they’re purposefully holding you back.

    You need to leave and you should do it at a time when they need you most. Don’t be nice about it. You owe them nothing.

  13. Anonymous

    Thank you! This response means a lot and I needed to read it.

  14. Anonymous

    If the larger company is restructuring, I would be careful what you ask for at this time. I would focus more on external positions than trying to go over the two stooges heads. There is really no telling what they have already told their managers about you. Even with points to prove your capabilities, getting that "difficult" label is hard to shake.

    I have been through 3 restructuring, 2 buy-outs, and 2 massive lay-offs. One thing that is consistent with each of them is that the company usually keep the worker bees and let go of directors and above. They want their own upper management in place.

    During the lay-off, only one division of worker-bees went through the lay-offs. They knew about it in plenty of time and received very nice severance packages as well as professional resume and recruiter assistance.

    It really all depends on you. Do you want to stay with this company? Will the 2 stooges try and sabotage you if someone above them decides to give you the director position. Corporate America has some of the most self centered and evil people I have ever met.

    Good luck, I hope you get exactly what you are looking for!

  15. Debbie Reynolds

    Staying with a company where they do not value you has zero benefit in the long run. In the end, I have felt terrible for allowing myself to be devalued for so long. Find a new position and never look back!

  16. Anonymous

    If you want to stay after the restructure with a new boss, then I would say keep doing what you are doing to show you deserve to be there and in a higher role. I wouldn’t give a job description to HR, but I would outline your accomplishments and send that to both HR and your potential new boss.

    If not, I would focus on looking outside, and do the role you have without the director level effort. I don’t suggest this to be petty, but everything you do that is above and beyond makes them look better. If you only do the tole you are being paid for, maybe they will see what they are losing. Why put in the effort of doing a director level job if you can’t advance? And did you confirm with HR that there is no advancement potential? Or did your boss tell you that, because I wouldn’t trust him.

  17. Doug Franklin

    What ended up happening?

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