I read so many posts on here by people complaining about how they are being treated unfairly, not given opportunites, etc.

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1. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 2:24PM UTC

   I 100% agree with this. I see people complaining who make posts that read less than a middle school level. Get it together ladies.

2. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 2:30PM UTC

   There are times that my brain goes faster than I can type, especially on discussion boards. Many of the women that come on here are frustrated and need to vent. Please don't judge them from a discussion board post, you haven't seen their work product. We are human, mistakes happen.

3. Balanced372207April 15,2024 at 3:08PM UTC

   And I hate when autocorrect, or whatever it is, changes my words.

4. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 3:55PM UTC

   I understand what you are saying. But it is possible to review what you wrote before posting. A frustrated person should still be able to type a coherent sentence. Yes, I’ve had autocorrect change a word that I didn’t catch, but not the entire post! You are asking advice from professionals, not using proper grammar, spelling, etc. negates much of what you are saying.

5. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 2:38PM UTC

   I completely agree. I tried to read one the other day that was a complete run on sentence with no cohesive thought or punctuation. All I could think was, "Well, I am not surprised no one will give you a chance."

6. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 2:45PM UTC

   It's because standards have been abandoned.

   Fifteen years ago, I told an Ivy-league graduate that she needed to get her money back. Why? Because she was an English major, had a BA, and did not know what I meant when I requested that she write in third-person plural, and leave out all the adjectives, adverbs, and anecdotes.

   It's worse than ever, and it won't get better any time soon, as every single employer is afraid that these snowflakes will sue, and win.

   And we're all posting anonymously because we don't want to be hounded by a baying mob.

7. Kristie WhiteApril 15,2024 at 3:14PM UTC

   I wonder if composition and grammar are still part of the curriculum in schools. I remember when English included diagramming sentences. Today, there is so much dependency on auto-correct for spelling, grammar, and now with the addition of AI - nobody uses their brain anymore. They expect all of the tools to do it for them. I've been seeing this in journalism for some time, a profession that used to require strong writing skills. If they aren't forcing journalists to watch their Ps and Qs, then other professions don't have a chance. I worry that our children are growing up illiterate because the computer is doing all the thinking.

8. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 12:41PM UTC

   You forget that (a) this is just an internet forum and people are not going to spellcheck and grammar check everything, (b) disabilities exist, and (c) not everyone is a native English speaker.

   Get off your high horse.

9. Kristie WhiteApril 16,2024 at 6:16PM UTC

   I hold an Internet forum that is about professionalism and work to a higher standard than just a typical Twitter/X post. I remember all of the above - but that does not excuse posting sloppy content on a job forum. I have many times reached out to someone on a job forum to connect and see if there was an opportunity to help or hire based on the content that I read. I won't reach out to someone who has made a sloppy impression. If you want to attract quality, you have to "be the change you seek", as Gandhi said. So get off your own high horse.

10. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 3:57PM UTC

    I think some of this might be folks using their mobile devices and not checking what they write before they click post. Lighten up sister, there are some folks who are from other places and also ones who simply have a bad work situation and find this a SAFE forum to speak out about what they are dealing with. Yes, there are victims, and some of them come here for healing advice.

11. Barb HansenApril 15,2024 at 4:06PM UTC

    A poorly written post on a community website does not equate to a person’s inability to communicate clearly in a business context. I write many responses on this site, and although some of my posts contain grammatical errors and may not always be completely coherent, I have built my career on effective communication. The electronic form of a message dictates how we create that message, expanding on Marshall McLuhan's concept that "the medium is the message."

    Sometimes, it's more important to convey your message than to fret over form and function. Creating a message is easy, but it takes more effort to correct misplaced commas and conjunctions, spelling mistakes, redundant phrases, wordiness, and potential bias in a post.

12. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 4:32PM UTC

    Thank you - the anxiety and stress our workers are feeling in massive amounts is contributed to rigid opinions like the op.

13. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 4:10PM UTC

    I’m constantly responding from my phone. Not the best keyboard and I often have typos. I know it’s not a polished document so I’m not fretting more than I need to over it!

14. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 4:31PM UTC

    Boooo! From what I can see, you absolutely are part of the overall problem - expecting complete perfectness and absolutely no flexibility or compassion for the human element. Want a robot / then hire robots only and then You can be happy all you want . A manager you do not make!

15. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 4:57PM UTC

    I’ll happily enlighten you.
    But you may not like the answer.

    This doesn’t seem like a good-faith question, and that’s because it isn’t. It’s simply a lot of dramatic and unprofessional criticism from a bitter, angry employer who wants to anonymously attack and devalue woman job seekers with little knowledge of their actual qualifications and only a single post or comment being used as a referendum on each “offender’s” worth as a person and a professional.

    Also, when sharing an opinion, it is customary to share supporting facts, references, and examples from real life, and not create a purely fictional caricature that’s little more than a Frankenstein’s monster of ad-hominem and straw-(wo)man logical fallacies with old-fashioned, mean-spirited bullying vibes mixed in.

    If you don’t like complaining, whining, and unqualified people, why don’t you stop complaining and whining and share some of the qualifications that make *your* opinion carry weight? Maybe you could start by detailing what you’re offering for the type of workers you’re seeking so that this can be compared with fair market rates for such work? Or how about evidence that the role and direct supervisor are capable of providing a safe and non-discriminatory workplace to woman workers?

    I’m guessing you would never make such an inappropriate and non-constructive remark on a site like LinkedIn, because everyone would know who you are and nobody would want to work for such an unprofessional employer or in such a clearly hostile workplace.

16. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 5:24PM UTC

    Well said! Employers are not as loyal as one thinks! People have complaints because they have been lied on, manipulated, all in the name of it being an Honest Mistake, when it is called out. Employees have to dig for their rights, with expectations that some managers impose out of falsity.

    Employees become fearful because they possess very little ammunition to advocate for themselves, especially when they are unable to afford a legal team So many are told to burry their heads regarding the matters and find another job. There are a lot voices who have cried out over things that have been covered up. It is sad and hurtful. Because many managers are tools used. Thus, this is another system of slavery. Hear and understand the true cries of people, it could be you Mr.Mrs. Employer- a whole company missing the one true hallmark outside of profit making!

    And yes if I make a mistake, or have a typo- it doesn’t negate the truth.

17. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 5:02PM UTC

    That's why companies should hire for character, skills and experience.
    Ageism is real, unfortunately. I see the attitude of some of these victims, they seem to think "You mean once I get the job, I have to be here and WORK, too!!"

18. AnonymousApril 15,2024 at 7:47PM UTC

    Thanks for your arrogant whiney complaint.

19. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 11:24AM UTC

    I have an extended relative that judges me for EVERYTHING.

    She's "very successful, super smart and can do it all"

    She doesn't work, relies on hubby and fills social media with tales of perfection. Perfect home, perfect relationship, perfect car, perfect daughter. EVERYTHING is PERFECT.

    I'm a total loser in her eyes- but she doesn't know my story, only judges it. A hard working and accomplished single mother and woman. I live in an apartment, kids attending public school (single mother, working, apartment, kids in public schools, saving for retirement, - gasp!!!!!!)

    Many mobile devices have auto fill. Maybe people are dashing a quick comment. Maybe some are ignorant.

    Do you KNOW the circumstances or are you hiding behind a screen as well?

    If you have it together, why are you anonymous?

20. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 7:35PM UTC

    Way to go, Anonymous YOU!

21. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 7:24PM UTC

    Thanks!!!
    People like this annoy me to no end. If they are 1000% perfect, so be it. Live life and stop judging!!

22. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 12:17PM UTC

    Understand your point- but there's a difference between a frustrating post to vent and one that illustrates 'people can't spell, how are they getting jobs or working '. THAT is what frustrated me

23. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 12:39PM UTC

    I see plenty of coherent posts with honest concerns.
    I see some people who clearly are just venting on an internet forum or may not even be native English speakers.

    What I ALSO see are "employers" who come here to disparage people in dire straits, who are struggling, trying to find jobs or ones that suit their needs. Probably people who pay terrible wages and wonder why their employees don't want to go above and beyond.

    I have seen NO ONE here say they don't have to be qualified, never said they want to be paid a lot of money to do nothing. But I'm guessing YOU don't pay well and therefore YOU do not have loyal employees willing to work hard.

    Take a good long look at your own "victim mentality" before throwing it out at people whose lives you don't know a thing about outside of a post on an internet forum.

24. KarenApril 16,2024 at 12:55PM UTC

    Thank you!! You said it all shame on them!!

25. AnonymousApril 21,2024 at 9:02PM UTC

    You're welcome!

26. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 7:34PM UTC

    Well said! Thank you for your eloquent response. I am a big fan of YOURS!

27. AnonymousApril 21,2024 at 9:02PM UTC

    So very welcome

28. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 12:58PM UTC

    Thank you for saying this. Some employers and recruiters have their own version of a victim mentality, as in "Why do I have to collect resumes for jobs I have no intention of contacting them about?" "OMG, I'm so TIRED of ghosting candidates after wasting time interviewing them even though the hiring manager told me they're hiring internally...or a family member." Wow, being a judgmental snob must wear them out, LOL.

29. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 6:03PM UTC

    Yep!! But it is still annoying. You know how the Lifetime movie always starts out....in the suburbs, etc...

30. Kristie WhiteApril 16,2024 at 6:12PM UTC

    Since I've worked with technology for about 30 years - including assessment, selection, project management, and configuration of HR systems and enterprise resource planning systems - I think I know the difference between using technology to enhance your work and becoming dependent on it to do the work for you. Now whose judgey and jumping to conclusions?

31. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 6:12PM UTC

    The problem is wages never kept up with cost of living. Those who have been there a long time deserve a big raise too. But NOPE. CEOs can't buy their yachts or second homes without keeping what they pay low.

32. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 6:42PM UTC

    Yes! All employees who work under her state they are working their dream job. It is the best work community/ culture. No signs of toxicity exist where she works!!!

33. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 6:56PM UTC

    Legit kind of wondering if a dude snuck in. This is such old white dude thinking. And I've seen the occasional guy post here.

34. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 12:53PM UTC

    What is wrong with white dudes? I love your racist comment.....not!

35. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 7:07PM UTC

    Most relevant post on this website in MONTHS! Time to start holding each other to the highest standards of accountability rather than this least common denominator approach that I see so often on FGB.

36. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 12:51AM UTC

    Except, unfortunately, her high standards and accountability caused a misspelled word.

    Not a big deal, it can happen from time to time ESPECIALLY with auto-correct and sometimes we might be human.

    But when you go on a board preaching perfection, it must be mastered- otherwise you look like a moron.

    JS.
    ---
    My CFO and President [of organization I work for] each had a misspelled word. I decided two things: best to let it go and validation they are human. The problem word: "to" used in incorrect context I noticed in happenstance.

37. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 2:20PM UTC

    I thought this forum was supposed to be a safe place where women can seek advice and support. I didn't realize it was a space where women should hold each other accountable to the highest standards. Your concepts sounds an awful lot like a workplace.

38. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 7:31PM UTC

    Please note that in the header for your post, the word OPPORTUNITIES is misspelled.
    Also, please be certain to doublecheck your spelling prior to posting in the future--it would be very professional of you to do so. Indeed, your post would be much more coherent as well.

    Sincerely,
    An Anonymous, Crapped On, Older Than 55 Years Associate With a Good Attitude and Work Ethic

39. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 8:32PM UTC

    Good job!!! I missed the spelling- I'm not being sarcastic! I'm 51 and I totally get your point :)

40. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 8:40PM UTC

    You win the Internet today.

41. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 12:49PM UTC

    Good for you! I'm tired of these recruiters and HR people blaming the jobseeker, when they make obvious errors themselves.

42. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 9:36PM UTC

    I just wish this site had emojis to reply to this with! *hands you a crown*

43. AnonymousApril 16,2024 at 9:36PM UTC

    I really want to know where she works so I can avoid applying there!

44. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 2:01AM UTC

    Better than Twizzlers and a Coke Zero....much!! Lol :) :)

45. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 11:01AM UTC

    Twizzlers and xanex!! A perfect match! Lollll

46. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 12:58PM UTC

    Be careful of stereotyping and making generalizations about Boomers or any other age group, Shay. You are advising not to judge, yet you are doing so yourself.

47. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 1:05PM UTC

    Thank you for saying this. I did leave my job due to being expected to be a one-person department and got lousy 1% raises and no title reflecting my hard work. Job stacking and silent hiring have increased while salaries haven't. But me complaining because I couldn't take a sick day and was expected to work through Covid is me being spoiled and entitled. OK.

48. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 1:11PM UTC

    Learn how to spell OPPORTUNITIES first.
    This didn't go how you thought it would, did you.

49. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 1:21PM UTC

    I'd also like to point out that "is" should be "are" in the sentence that includes the phrase "if communication and documentation" - those are two separate things.

50. Paulla Fetzek, MSEdApril 17,2024 at 1:30PM UTC

    While I respect the position from which you're posting, I am dismayed at how you appear to have labeled and lumped a variety of situations into a particular category. Are you saying that only the people who may have difficulty communicating are the ones with a "victim" mentality? Or are these two different things?

    I understand what you're referring to regarding "no work/good pay". However, I know a few qualified, high-level, college degree people who "whine and complain" about how much work they're expected to do for the pay they get.

    I think some of this stems from the fact young adults are graduating from college with crushing debt (if they want a decent education) thinking they'll step into a role and make 6-figures, while at the same time being the boss/supervisor over people. While this may be possible - it certainly isn't the norm.

    As for communication, do you mean basic English? On this, I do agree. To a point. I've been a part-time ESL tutor for over 10 years and one thing I stress to my students is they're better off mastering basic English rather than trying to assimilate an entire language. This can result in them having a limited vocabulary, but what they do learn, they use exceptionally well. Could someone in this situation form "six coherent sentences"? Perhaps not! But they would be able to give you one or two.

    Communication has also been vastly impacted by the use of the Internet. Texting and Social Media have created "Netspeak" - a language that, while quick and accurate (if one is hip to all the acronyms), I find vastly sub-par with professional business speak.

    However, there are many who disagree with me. The own/president/CEO of my company, for example. He's in his latter 50s, holds two degrees and runs the largest sales/marketing firm inside the Hardware Channel. Yet uses Netspeak in most of his emails and internal communications.

    From your post... Is someone supposed to tell him that he's unable to communicate well? The 300+ employees who work for him understand him just fine.

    Please be careful of generalization. While I can see valid points in your post, the way you've worded things some could find it offensive and biased.

    What I'm seeing a host of are people who are extremely qualified, don't get jobs, or are forced to work for a pay that's far below their worth.

51. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 2:11PM UTC

    Wow.

52. AnonymousApril 17,2024 at 4:29PM UTC

    This is a troll or male or both!

53. JillianSApril 17,2024 at 5:38PM UTC

    Absolutely! I agree. When I taught college English, we instructors emphasized to students that putting thoughts in written form is quite different than speaking: your vocabulary, grammar, etc. have to convey everything.

54. Nicole McKeonApril 17,2024 at 6:15PM UTC

    It is curious to me that this poster decided to post anonymously. Also, there are multiple grammar and spelling errors in the post, despite the fact that the poster has decided to be the bastion of calling out "victim mentality" and "women who cannot write a coherent six sentence post." News flash... many women are treated unfairly and not given opportunities. If our dear poster is lucky enough to have not experienced this, perhaps she could consider learning from this site, and as an "employer" doing the work to make certain "she" is not part of the problem. You asked for enlightenment, here you go.

55. Brenda KingApril 17,2024 at 9:26PM UTC

    Please keep in mind people my have disabilities or neurodivergences' that affect their communication. Honestly, there are many different reasons that may affect someone's communication skills.

    This is also an online forum where tone of voice and body language are missing. Someone may not be complaining as much as it is interpreted.