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what should I consider if I was issued a pip by suprise with unclear expectations, with no follow up on established “supports.” Pip extended despite improvement against unclear standards. And the reason given for firing is “lack of independence” though all the work is getting done and reported, but there is a lack of feedback on work generally?

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  1. Anonymous

    It's BS. They're trying to get rid of you. Document your accomplishments, ask for feedback (and document that), and let your supervisor's supervisor know that you are not getting useful feedback. (And document that) You probably can't save your job, but you may escape with a severance package and non-disparagement agreement. I'm so sorry this is happening to you. It happened to me and it was the worst experience of my life.

  2. Katie

    Have you had a super open discussion with your manager? What are the milestones? What support do you need? What is the true issue for the PIP and if it is in fact lack of independence, then what expectations do they have specifically? I would have a very clear discussion with your manager about all of this. If they are just putting you on a PIP to move you out, maybe right now is the right time to get your resume updated so you have a head start.

  3. Anonymous

    There were no clear milestones given. The pip was extended a number of times. When I tried to get more specifics around “independence” the answer changed each time.

  4. Stephanie Branch Lekowski

    Leaving. A PIP done this way is basically "divorce papers". They want you to fail, they want you GONE.

  5. Anonymous

    You should consider they no longer valued your contribution and wanted to terminate you. You can argue they were wrong but at the end of the day the result is the same. A PIP does not guarantee the company has to keep you. More often than not PIP are used as a step to termination.

  6. Wanda

    Well, take it as a sign that you should be looking for other outside opportunities. It's both weird and unfair, to establish a PIP without clear guidance as to what you should improve upon. If you've already been terminated, then be on your way toward looking for your next opportunity. Best wishes.

  7. Anonymous

    Have you already been fired? It's unclear. If so, file for unemployment. There is a chance they say you were "terminated for cause," because you were on a PIP. They will argue that you didn't fulfill the conditions of the PIP. In that case, appeal the decision, and take all the paperwork, including the PIP, the extension, and the termination papers to the appeal hearing. The unclear expectations and "lack of independence" on the termination papers will work in your favor. Cause is determined by you having specific requirements you failed to deliver.

    Either way, start looking for another job.

  8. P I.

    No unclear standards means they are setting you up to fail. No good outcome will come out of this for you.

    Have they given you instances when you "lacked of independence"? They are covering their butts. No cap, I'd start looking...

  9. Anonymous

    Answers kept changing and didn’t match up with actual efforts (which are documented).

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