I have never seen any worker who is on their phone 80% of the time in a given work day.

I have never seen any worker who is on their phone 80% of the time in a given work day. My co-worker, mid-20s, works f/t through out the year but 4-5 months of the year is when there is work for them. The other times - nothing really. They would be busy coordinating, writing reports, etc on some days but I observe that other times, they just have their work in their screens, sitting in their desks & then almost all day in their phones - watching videos, memes, texting, etc. When they go to lunch or get up to take care of things, they are walking with their faces glued to their phones. Don't get me wrong when there is work to do, they do it & do it well. However, is there something wrong with this scenario? When I was in my 20s, no work means you are one of the 1st to get laid off.

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  1. Anonymous

    I'm going to assume you are you just venting here. Otherwise, what are you hoping to be done? You say 'co-worker' which I take to mean you do not manage them (nor do they manage you). You say "when there is work to do, they do it and do it well". Ultimately, this is a MYOB situation.

  2. Anonymous

    I agree that this is a MYOB, but I was wondering if this is now the new norm in the workplace. I wonder if I was in her shoes, what would I do? Would I do the same or take advantage of the downtime to grow professionally?

  3. Laura

    In my 20s I had a similar job (ebb and flow with work) and actually went to my boss to ask for more work but there wasn't any to be had. While I wasn't attached to my phone, I did use the downtime to study since I was going to school. When my boss needed me to do work, she knew it was going to get done and done well. It's definitely a conversation between employee and manager rather than co-worker to co-worker unless it's impacting your work.

  4. Anonymous

    Work is definitely different these days but who knows this persons situation or reasoning for how they are in "downtime". Honestly.. there are many times in my past career I have gone above and beyond and looking back I'd tell myself to sit down and relax because I'm never going to get that time and energy back and it will never be rewarded with a promotion. Then there are others that I genuinely learned and/or earned from the extra experience. So I don't know.. maybe they are allowing opportunity and growth to pass them by, or maybe they are there for a paycheck (which is totally fine btw) and so they are doing everything they need to do to meet expectations and nothing more because sometimes asking for more work just gets you more work.. and nothing more.

    Also.. I have ADHD and it is wild how I can go from bump on a log to star employee lol. I'm so grateful I've found the job I have now because my boss always says he doesn't care how much he sees me online or not, as long as I take care of my stuff.. and I do and then some! And I have plenty of downtime. I don't get paid by the hour, I'm paid for the talent and expertise I bring to the team and our projects.

    The phone thing specifically sucks, I think they are addicting and not great for our health, but that's a personal matter. I try not to judge the younger generation too much because that's how they've grown up and some of them actually work fully from their phone so it's becoming a norm.

  5. Anonymous

    I agree! When first started working the environment was VERY difficult and no one to ask for support and if any coworker found out, I was separated from whom ever I was conversing with. Currently the same environment exists where I am now. The worker will have a "spreadsheet" open (pretending to work) and texting on their phone, playing games, etc. I was part of a "volunteer" morale group as I was told it was the best way to advance career wise. This was nothing but a lie! Not only was I not paid extra for creating reports I was blamed for misc mishaps in the office. Those other volunteers in the group did not participate, and I was blamed for inaccurate reports. When advancement opportunities developed I was overlooked. Trainers gave inaccurate information, making it hard to work, no updates on current procedures and it is difficult speaking to anyone at the office. Its so hard to "step away" to compose oneself as everything is monitored. My current situation seems to get worse!

  6. Anonymous

    Nothing wrong at all. Worry about yourself. Focusing on them means you don't have enough work. So I suggest you get on your phone too. The world is different and change is hard and older folks need to join the party.

  7. Interesting

    WOW - RUDE

  8. Anonymous

    Wow, tell us how old you are without telling us. The generation that lacks basic socialization skills and has the attention span of a gnat is not likely to do well in the real working world. "Change is hard," so I suggest perhaps scrolling on your phone to the section on civility and take note.

  9. Anonymous

    It's lovely that you're concerned about your coworker's job security. Not much to be done about the slow times, though. You've already mentioned that their work.gets done, and well. That's the best they can do in this situation. If they get laid off, that sucks, but it's a reality we all have to deal with

  10. Anonymous

    I agree! Someone who is consistently monitoring what everyone around them is doing instead of concentrating on themselves apparently does not have enough work themselves and is a "busy body" putting their nose where it doesn't belong. I have been in workplaces where "busy bodies" like this were terminated because their attitude of worrying about what everyone else was doing caused too much strife in the workplace.

  11. Anonymous

    I have a new hire who is in their early 20s and same, always on their phone if there isn't specific work to do that is due that day. They don't take the time to review their work to make sure it's correct, to take initiative to find out why something is not working (we're talking simple things a quick Google search can figure out like how to print single sided) they just want to be on their phone. And we pay more than average so the feeling of pay shouldn't be an issue. It's pathetic and scary.

  12. Anonymous

    Why is the co-worker expected to work full-time when there is only work for them to do half of the year? Seems like the company is not using that full-time employee effectively. They should train them on something else to fill the time or make them a part-time employee.

  13. Anonymous

    I can completely see why you are inquiring about this - unfortunately it seems some replies are rude back to you simply making an inquiry what others are experiencing - it's good to learn from others and sometimes makes you think about a different outlook, we all learn from that.

    I agree - I experience the same thing at my workplace. Never used to see it, people would always find something to do - we work in emergency services, there is always something that can be stocked, cleaned, trained on, preparing for pub ed, etc. However, it is a different world fortunately or unfortunately is in the learned work ethic of the beholder. I was raised and witnessed my parents give 110% to their employer and have a fabulous work/life balance, they did both and enjoyed life and that's the way I feel, but that is me, I don't behold others to that standard. I have many, many co-workers that are in that same mind set as we work for the public, we give the public our all. In my personal experience, I can't sit on a personal cell phone watching videos, playing games, texting, etc. at a place of employment - never - that's not who I am or ever will be, besides, it is so boring! I would rather experience life myself and be present in the experience. I take the time for personal growth getting more education or working on presentations - or if I had that much down time - I would move to a better job experience - there is no personal pleasure for me working somewhere if I have nothing to do to make the job worthwhile for me. What kind of self worth would that be on a "regular basis" to be sitting on your phone getting paid to do nothing the majority of the time - how boring would that be - if that's the case.

    On the other hand, if the employer/boss allows this then of course there is nothing - I wouldn't pay people to sit doing nothing and unfortunately employers with good leadership will probably eventually see those positions are not necessary and eliminate them then people will wonder why the job is cut - so it starts at the top also. If the leadership doesn't mind paying people to do nothing - that's on them and when AI or robots replace employees we can't blame the business leaders/owners, robots will keep productive when humans sometimes won't - - unfortunately it is not inspiring to the good workers who find ways to keep productive and grow as employees and oftentimes those engaged employees will leave for their own self growth and worth - and good for them..

    One of our top bosses says - I pay you to work 24 hours, if I ask you to do something (reasonable of course) you are responsible to do it while you are here for that time - citizens pay your paycheck to work, not sit around. But that boss also knows the value and balance of down time and does a fabulous job balancing both and he keeps his shift the top shift that everyone wants to work - you are busy, you feel engaged and productive and that you are growing - yet when it comes to down time - you deserve it, enjoy it! Great leaders know the value of both keeping people engaged and keeping people happy.

    I do hear you and appreciate the kind and interesting conversations you have started and kind responses - I think it's a good conversation that each of us can learn and experience in different ways and there is no need for rudeness to a great conversation question. Unlike a couple others I don't think this is a generational thing or ageism thing, sometimes people are too quick to jump on that bandwagon, I think it is a work ethic and individual thing. You are possibly like me - I keep productive and engaged, learning, producing and it makes me perfectly happy - others need that mind break and I appreciate that too as long as it isn't taken advantage of - there's always that fine line and as you say they do a great job when they are productive that is probably what the boss is seeing and he/she is content with employees like that. We are all different and all come from differing backgrounds and walks of life - we all have our own goals and desire to grow and be. Me - don't pay me to sit and do nothing, I would quit that would be so absolutely boring for me - I appreciate the challenge and growth - that keeps me experiencing life and engaged in the world.

    You do you - take care of what makes you tick - if you are able to, think that perhaps some of those workers are learning and inspired by you in time and will want to engage more themselves - so keep setting your example for yourself, do what makes your work life happy.

  14. Katrina A

    I agree with pretty much all of this and if your bosses are okay with you being on your phone sometimes then so be it. However, if they only let some people be on their phones which I’ve seen and experienced that isn’t right.

    I also feel that regardless of what you’re going through in your personal life when you are at work that does not matter because you’re there to work and those personal things should be left at the door. That’s the professional way to look at it anyway. Because when I was going through things myself I never was cut any slack! If that’s the standard now then no one would be productive at work due to their personal life because in this day in age and the way the world and life is someone is always fighting battles and going through something. Set your feeling aside, be professional, and when you go to work do what you are being paid to do - work unless your boss instructs you otherwise.

  15. Anonymous

    No one gets paid enough to work 24 hours a day and that sounds like a toxic workplace with no work life balance. I'm privileged and talented enough that I'd never stay in a place like this for long. Salary does not mean I have to drop everything at 1 am to answer and email that could be googled. This is the kind of thing that rich people think people under them should put up with and why we have the kind of toxic capitalism we have. Humans are not slaves and my pay does not make a manager or business owner own me. They only own the time they are paying for, and when it's salary they own the results of that time not the actual hours. Boundaries are acceptable and should be expected. If they need 24 hours support they need to hire shift workers that can cover night time work. Also it's illegal even with salary to not give a full 8 hours free between shifts. Even with salary. Salary is not a way to skirt federal workplace laws.

  16. Anonymous

    This might sound ridiculous but sometimes when I’m sitting in front of a computer and my phone is in front of me I’d rather work on my phone because some of the features are better for an app I’m using (eg Outlook mobile is much easier to use than Outlook desktop). Sometimes I feel I can focus more on one thing on my phone than a computer (responding to messages).

  17. Anonymous

    You find Outlook on your phone easier than desktop? It has less features on your phone.

  18. Anonymous

    Not for Outlook in MS365. It takes 10 times longer to organize my inbox on my desktop because of missing features in the app. Also, it's an example of some thing I find easier on my phone.

  19. Anonymous

    I'm not sure why you are concerned about someone else? Many employees have spent majority of their life giving 110% with little or no reward for their effort so some have thrown in the towel. If my pay will be the same regardless of how hard I work I'm not giving extra effort, harsh but real.

  20. Kimberly McKenzie-Klemm

    I found that when people talked to their co-workers in their cubicles half the day about what had happened in their personal life all weekend and week, I was usually irritated. I found the best policy was to ask to "keep it down" if the talk became too loud for me to work, and to ignore it the rest of the time. My job was my responsibility. Their jobs were not my responsibility. Taking on personal decisions about others in the workplace is about conducting your own job accordingly.

  21. Katrina A

    thank you for sharing. I may start saying this because all morning I’ve had a supervisor go around talking to her favorites for 20 plus minutes about her personal life and because of this I forget she’s a supervisor. But saying please keep it down to a supervisory nah not be ok lol

  22. Yliana

    It’s so funny you say this when I’m Gen Z and I gave my all at a previous workplace. My coworkers (millennials and gen x) spent several hours of their work day giggling at each other's cubicles. I kept my nose to the grindstone and all that did was get me fired! I’d chat with my team before work hours and at lunch, dress appropriately, act professionally, take initiative, etc. but apparently my director thought I wasn’t a good cultural fit.

    So maybe you should stop chalking it up to a generation and instead consider the fact that—more often than not—workplaces value schmoozers over worker bees.

  23. Anonymous

    And your point is? Focus on your own career and growth and not others lack of work. If this truly bothers you perhaps ask your manager if you are managed by the same person to spread work around more evenly.

  24. Katrina A

    Last time I checked when you go to work they’re paying you to work. Every time I was going through something personal my bosses did not accommodate me because in a professional work setting you’re required to set aside your personal life and work when you clock in and out. That’s pretty much standard everywhere. If you have a death in the family they give you bereavement time and after that if you choose to come back to work you’re required to work just like everyone else. We all have battles we are fighting. Slacking off because you’re going through something isn’t fair or right for everyone else there working their butts off.

  25. Katrina A

    You also have no idea what the person that posted this may be going through. You aren’t the only one going through something. People fight battles everyday that they don’t speak about and still go to work and work.

  26. Rosa Goes

    Every business has a lull where there is nothing to do. Some coworkers use the time to organize or do e-learning courses. It's up to your coworkers, not you, how they use their time during those moments. Stick to your own growth or find another job that challenges you. Good luck!

  27. GirlBossanova934974

    You should taking notes here. This is not the fault of your co-workers here. This is the fault of non existent management. No supervision. If I were the manager, I would notice this right away and start assigning a LOT MORE WORK to each of these folks with way too much free time on their hands. I would make sure they would be challenged......But unfortunately these days, we have far too many managers hanging out in meetings and bucking for their next promotion. Face time in meetings means no time spent supervising.

  28. Anonymous

    Why does this concern you? If you have this much time to observe what they’re doing when do you get your work done? Mind the business that pays you and leave your coworker alone. It’s insane how much other peoples actions that don’t affect us we need to police…

  29. Anonymous

    No need for your comment - this person is only posing a question to see what others' experiences are out there. Be kind - help spread kindness and conversation - it will be a nicer world.

  30. Anonymous

    I was asking a question. Why does it bother the person posting the question? They had to know it would get a response. It was not being negative, mean, or rude. Just asking a question. Now why does it bother you?

  31. Anonymous

    Mind your own business

  32. Anonymous

    Exactly!

  33. Anonymous

    Ms. Anonymous, mind YOUR own business. Everyone has a right to make comments.

  34. Anonymous

    Never said that. Asking a simple question sparks so much emotion. This is why we need to go back to working from home. To avoid the Wendy Watercoolers wasting our time and the Laura Lookers watching every single thing we do in the office. She said her coworker does their job and well, what is the issue? Leave them alone. The original question is why does it bother them that they’re on their phone? Does she want to interact with them? Is she lonely? Just asking?

  35. Betty Warrick

    I can say from experience that this is not a young person trait. I've let quite a few people of all age groups go because they decided to do the bare minimum. You're right. When layoffs come around, they will be the first to go. Unless you're overwhelmed with work and someone else that could do that work is slacking, it's not your business.

  36. Victoria Nolten

    I don't think you can actually know anything about what they are doing. I write a lot of reports and coordinate projects. Sometimes I play on my phone or read something because my brain needs the distraction to refresh what it's doing. I read the news or listen to a book and then BAM I figure out the problem I was having on moving my work forward. They also may be putting in a lot of hours when you don't see. Sometimes people's work style is different. If it's not your issue, don't make it one.

    (and for reference I'm 51 and have always had a ebb and flow in my work style)

  37. Celena Barton

    You say there is only 4-5 months of work for them? That’s the company’s fault. And, what do you expect them to do all day with no work? I’m sure they will leave before being laid off because that sounds like an absolutely boring job.

  38. Interesting

    I believe perhaps it depends on the workplace culture more than age or generation. So it can depend on what is allowable by your supervision and environment. If this is allowed by management, it can be a source of struggle with someone as dedicated and with work habits you have developed for sure. If management doesn't control it - unfortunately it's not a very productive workplace and perhaps this business needs an overhaul and should consider cost of this labor for people doing nothing.

    If the workplace is like say Google, from documentary studies it sounds like they encourage more workplace freedom for their employees to come and go as they please and do as they please, just using them as example. While working on a project however, employees may give 150% to them and then are allowed down time between successes.

    In my workplace culture, I work for a government agency, and we are expected to put in 9 hours for an 8 hour day, albeit in a friendly and comfortable work environment that is respectful, that expectation is set at hiring that you do your job, we don't sit idle there is always something to be done for our citizens, play on your phone on your own time. Being a taxpayer, I appreciate that we are held to that standard and accountability with people from 20 - 70 working along together.

    So I believe it is more about the work environment and leadership expectations on their employees than generational or age related. If you hold your employees accountable and set the expectations when they are hired - they will either fit in or they will look elsewhere if they want to play on their phones and get paid for it - and that's fine, go elsewhere.

    Interesting conversation starter by this posting - I'm sure someone out there has an entire leadership or management training day about this very topic.

    Have a great day everyone and spread politeness in your words - everyone needs to vent once in a while and I'm sure that is why this posting was created - that's life.

    P.S. I replied to this on my lunch hour - not on company time in case anyone wants to point that out to me. (Wink)

  39. Anonymous

    There is a co-worker in my department (over 50) who watches movies, is on her phone for hours and hours on most days, while many others are so busy they don't take lunches.

    Doubtful if she'll leave, she thrives in the laziness.

    I'm one of the overwhelmed, but that's my work ethic - do what it takes to be part of a winning team.

    The 50 year old, never offers to help, just sits there. Pretty embarrassing (for her)

  40. Anonymous

    I would guess that it's not necessarily an "age" thing. But it's about work ethic. Either you have it, or you don't. And it looks different for every person. With that being said, I know some 20-year-olds that work circles around the 50-60 somethings.

  41. Anonymous

    Take this how you will-

    I work in a feild that's very much like this. Every job I have I can take on more and I have learned that asking for more is more likely to get me laid off or voluntold to resign than any other behavior. Managers are consistently intimidated and so are other coworkers. I don't want to get fired because I'm more efficient with my time than a Jr person and no one is willing or able to give me more

    work. If you are a manager level above this person, find things they can do and get over any ego that might be getting in your way of directing this person's extra time. If you are not, and this person excells in what is given them, it's really none of your business.

    Sitting there when you have nothing to do pretending you are busy is just dumb. This is why I work remotely. If I worked to capacity all hell breaks lose because it makes everyone else look bad.

  42. Lisa Bell

    In my 20s and 30s I worked outside sales—the world was fast paced but the afternoons were for poolside, drinks and fun! LOL!

  43. Darenda Carter

    It is hard not to be bothered by someone not doing anything while on the clock but it’s not your business to monitor their work unless you are their manager. In my last job it was my responsibility to supervise &train this one employee but she didn’t think she needed supervision &did not take criticism or correction well. She would sit & look at herself in the mirror she had on her desk for hours when she wasn’t playing on her phone, she messed up multiple computer entries & when corrected she got defensive. She was there about a month & she complained to the OWNER that we (me, my manager & another senior co-worker) were being “mean” to her & that she wouldn’t work in an environment that allowed people to “boss” others around; he let me go that next week, then the other senior employee 2 weeks later. The manager is still there & she is miserable but she is so close to retirement she is sticking it out even though this girl has gotten placed on salary making the same thing the manager of almost 10 years is making & now bec she says she can’t work in office & do her school work at the same time (her words) he is allowing her to work remotely (which will definitely make it where she doesn’t have accountability) while that manager is not allowed to work remotely. The employee with all the complaints & looking at herself in the mirror was 21 & the rest of us were in our 40s & 60s

  44. Anonymous

    How long ago was it that u were in ur 20's ?

  45. Anonymous

    Respectfully, mind your business. If you are not their manager or your work is not impacted by them being on their phone, fall back!

  46. Janet Parkhurst

    I SO agree! You said what I wanted to say. It is what it is and, if upper management lets it go, so should the OP.

  47. Anonymous

    As you've alluded to, when there is work to be done, the co-worker does their job and does it well. As long as their phone usage does not impact their productivity, it's best to just let it go.

  48. Jane E

    I've been in my position for 20 years and have seen the "young" ones come and go. Most have gotten away with these same things. The reason I don't bitch too much is because leadership has seen them on their phones watching movies, tv, videos, talking and doing homework and done nothing so what am I going to do? I do not get paid the 'big bucks' to monitor them. It's frustrating but if my (and their) bosses are going to let it go, then I will have to let it ride as well. Usually, I'm so busy I don't have much time to worry.

    My biggest pet peeve? Co-workers getting done with their work but not asking others if they can help. I'm 61 and this has been drummed into my head from the time I started working at 15. Such a simple thing yet very hard for some people apparently. : /

  49. Anonymous

    I could have written this response, I feel the same things and have seen the same things.

  50. Anonymous

    It’s just another way that work places are changing. As long as their work is getting done and it’s not impeding yours it’s not your problem. Only their manager should decide if it’s a problem or not.

  51. Eva Baaza

    All of this....

    I'm guessing OP is a boomer because really it's none if her business unless she owns the company or is their manager

  52. Anonymous

    Most of my work is secured with apps that require my phone even to get in. I don't have time to be browsing much if any during the day. There was no social media when I was that age so I used the time to learn new job skills. Why not that?

  53. maria rose

    What I think has happened is certain fields of work ( not all fields ) require less interpersonal actions than previously. But what this OP is asking about doesn't apply to those fields--which rely on very little interpersonal actions, but towards field of work where you have to physically be involved with what you are doing--and don't tell me those jobs don't exist or are not real jobs, either. So, the question is this, is it realistic to exist in today's world to be obvious to the real people around you, all the time. I can understand using the apps to shortcut tasks, but there's no way to have verbal conversations and see and react to your surroundings if you never look up and around at others. Has that part of human interactions cease to exist?

  54. Anonymous

    Maybe the poster is respecting their co-workers pronouns.

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