I just got fired from my job, although they let me resign.

I just got fired from my job, although they let me resign.

I was the CFO for a very large nonprofit. My boss, the CEO, would not tell me why. All he said was, it wasn't a good fit. I have a very sophisticated accounting background and I brought a wealth of knowledge to this antiquated company. They said they wanted someone to help put things the right way. I'm not sure what happened but maybe I pissed some people off along the way. They actually walked me to my office, had me hand over my computer and then walked me out the front door. It was all very degrading. My staff were so sorry to see me leave. They knew I had so many great ideas to help them and they had such great hopes. One even decided to quit. My rant is that after I left, I sent a few nice emails to the executive team, saying it was nice working with them, and I wish them the best. Not one returned my email. I didn't do anything wrong at the company and shouldn't be a legal concern. I'm very hurt. I lived my job. I did good work. I lost my livelihood, I lost some friends and I'm out of work now. Any thoughts or words of wisdom to share that might make me feel better?

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  1. Anonymous

    Honestly? I would just cut ties and move on. I spent a year in nonprofit, it was a learning experience and I quickly realized it was not for me. The COO was new to running a nonprofit and she had her own ideas about how I should be doing my job and a lot of her ideas were, honestly, ridiculous. She finally came into my office one day said "this isn't working", gave me a timeline (I was already months into my search by then) and as soon as I was out the door she replaced me with her BFF. While I enjoyed working with the others there, including the rest of the leadership team (of which I was a part), I made zero attempt to maintain contact with anyone after I left. My question to you: what do you hope to gain by them responding to you?

  2. Anonymous

    I guess I'm shocked, but shouldn't be, that people are so fake. I thought I made friendships there. It's disheartening to think it wasn't real. Thank you for telling me to just move on. I really loved working there.

  3. Anonymous

    I've been there, and it was a HARD realization that those you thought were your 'friends' were only that in the workplace and not genuine. I loved my job and the people. It cut deeply to feel shunned once I left.

    Best that you protect your heart and move on. Remain professional, as you never know when you may cross paths with previous 'coworkers'.

  4. Anonymous

    I was the CFO. The CIO definitely felt threatened. This nonprofit was very well funded by government contracts. I'm not worried about what to tell my next employer I'm just so sad as I loved this job.

  5. Dr. Erica Walls

    I'm sorry to hear you experienced that. And you're right, our jobs are a big part of our lives, so your feelings are understandable.

    Before applying for new jobs, take some time to reflect on what you want to do next. Jobs don't guarantee us happiness, but you can discover/decide what brings you joy and fulfillment. Then, create a plan to get there. I hope this is helpful, and wish you well.

  6. Anonymous

    You are so smart and you totally get it! Yes. This is not normal. I did call the Audit partner to tell him what happened. It might have also been the chair of the board that wanted it. They are a top heavy male mysoginist group and they really don't know what they're doing. The audit partner said they are too unsophisticated and they did not grasp my recommendations for internal controls and upgrades. The board doesn't want to get involved because they, along with everyone else apparently, just don't want to get involved. My thoughts exactly is that the board should wonder why. If I didn't commit fraud but I'm being fired, shouldn't they wonder if I caught fraud? I did catch some things. Curious isn't it.

  7. Anonymous

    Your efforts were not appreciated by a company stuck in it's ways. They didn't want to put things the right way after all.

    Nonprofits are often like family business. There are a lot of unprofessional dynamics and very ego driven. It's very personal not business oriented. That's why they get involved in the first place.

    So, while you are highly skilled and had a lot to offer, it turns out that change was not what they wanted.

    It was not personal in the least. It was the old family dynamic at play. This is why no one could give you a reason for dismissal.

  8. Anonymous

    You are sooooo right.

  9. Anonymous

    dear friend. I had something similar happen to me, 6 years ago. And, another peer of mine (same company)- She was the CFO, doing EXCELLENT work (the CEO brought her on from another hospital), but she, too, lost her job (walked out the door) and was falsely blamed for issues that SHE discovered and reported. Like you, my friend (the CFO) was top notch/professional and was trying to "right" a sinking ship at a county organization...What she didn't know was that the ship was already "going down"- she was being lied to by the CEO. Ofcourse, we don't know the details of your situation but it's so similar- and you're HURT and have a right to be. But right now, you need an attorney to look over all of your severance information (do thiS RIGHT AWAY)- BECAUSE of your position of CFO, you deserve the best severance you can get and legal advice. My friend (the CFO) did the same for herself- she later found out, thru attorney, that others had been quietly "let go" and were given much better financial packages, so her attorney fought and got that for her. She's landed very well at another hospital system and continues to be a success- You will too. Love on yourself and take time to heal from this massacre. But please have an attorney look over EVERYTHING and do it this week!

  10. Anonymous

    If you were not there for long no reason to put that nightmare on your resume.

  11. Tara Dixon

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  12. GirlBossanova934974

    As others have pointed out, non profits can be difficult to work with. I ran a non profit for 5 years and I had to get rid of most of the officers to set things right. The officers were far more into finger pointing, playing political games, and watching the non profit's finances go down the drain. That being said, I could move on from this outfit. The only thing I would not have done is to resign. If you resign, you are not going to collect unemployment.

  13. Anonymous

    A similar thing happened to me but I was the CEO of a prominent non-profit. I had found financial anomalies and through my financial prowess, discovered the culprit of $22k theft. The board, while supportive of the forensic study, was so annoyed that I stated the reason at a board meeting and basically shook my finger at them, that they fired me though allowed me to 'resign'. I was told confidentially, months after, that the board was deeply embarrassed that an outsider, me, figured this out and were scared I would spill to beans to the federal agency we worked for. My predecessor had no budget, had no financial oversight, and 'trusted' the bookkeeper. I became the bad one.

    I left this particular genre of non-profit, after this soured experience and went back into the for-profit world. It's not much better honestly. There will always be people who sweep things under rugs to cover their own a**, including board members, organizational leaders and more.

    Find your Grace. Lead with Grace. Speak through Grace. You'll find another position - be the change! Smart financial people are treasured (pun intended) in the non-profit space. You'll find another position.

  14. Anonymous

    Hi...Very similar situation here. For you, it could just be that you cost too much and a short term solution was to take you off the books. The Execs at your former company may be on the hot seat themselves and saving their skin in the short term was more important than long term results for the company. Why are they ignoring you? Probably because their fear of you suing them for wrongful termination is greater than their desire to be human so better to not respond than to respond with something that could be used against them. So, I'd suggest while this is a shot to the ego, it is probably best to move on if they cant even respond to you. That's my working theory. Hope this helps in some small way :)

  15. Anonymous

    In "letting you resign" depending on what state you live in, you may have given up your eligibility to file for unemployment. This sounds like a toxic environment so I'm not sure why you would have taken your time to send nice emails to the executive team that ousted you. It's no surprise they didn't write you back - they wanted you gone for whatever reason. Maybe because in the end they really didn't want anything to change, they wanted things to stay as they were. I hope you are able to find a new job at a new employer that values your skills and knowledge.

  16. Anonymous

    Something very similar happened to me a few years ago and a non-profit. They were very antiquated and trying to change, but I feel they were just too stuck in their ways to fully embrace the changes that were needed. Ironically, they turned a blind eye to some very egregious behavior within the organization but then decided that I needed to go. You may have just been too progressive for them and they weren’t ready for it. So sorry this happened to you.

  17. Joann S. Lublin

    I don't think you were wrong to send the nice emails even though you got no response. It's important to never burn our bridges -- even at a workplace that treated us badly.

    Before taking your next job, I strongly suggest you request an employment contract that spells out your promised severance as well as reasons why you might be asked to

    resign. Also, if you still want to stay in nonprofit sector, executive recruiter Marilyn Machlowitz at Machlowitz Consultants in NY specializes in that arena. Feel free to mention my name. Let us know how your job search goes. Cheers, Joann Lublin

  18. Anonymous

    I'm so sorry you experienced this. From what you described, it's unlikely you'll get the closure you seek. They just wanted you gone. My suspicion is you weren't doing things the way they wanted. And, they chose the very [normalized] approach of quick dismissal and cut all contact. So, you may be unsure if they were toxic or something else. You may even be questioning if you didn't see some signs. All valid. Not all non-profits are led by honest and caring people.

    It's time to focus on you. Do what you can to cut ties them (even thinking about them). I know it may be difficult now, but it's important to take time to feel and to move forward. Shore up your support system (family, friends, and a professional therapist). Feel the pain to let it out. Seek help (and from personal experience, sometimes friends and family are not as equipped to help in a big way). So, I'm glad you came here. Work through next steps with professionals (therapy, coach, etc.). When you're ready, get back on that horse. This old job doesn't deserve you. It sounds like you have some really strong skills. Go shop them around. You may also be job hunting while feeling the feelings. That's okay (and all the more reason to have others help you).

    If they "let you resign" and if you did in fact resign, depending on the state you live in, you may have given up the eligibility for unemployment. There is a very real issue about the financial burden of losing a job.

    Contact an employment lawyer as well as your unemployment office, explain the situation, and see what they advise.

    As for losing friends. Colleagues aren't friends. Many of them are beholden to having the job and have to show allegiances. That said, when you're ready and fully separated from the employer, reach out to colleagues to get online references and perhaps coffee. The ones who want to network and be friends will appear in your life again.

    I believe in you. Your skills and knowledge are of service to the world and I hope you'll find an employer who values you. You can also consider starting your own gig (side hustle or not).

    Keep breathing. Good luck.

  19. Anonymous

    I’m in a similar situation. I’m going through the motions right now of feeling that this came out of the blue. What’s frustration to me is that I did everything to contribute to the business, to make sure I helped and serve to the best of my ability. What I didn’t realise is that all my efforts depended on how my manager felt about me and she just didn’t like me.

  20. Anonymous

    They didn't really want the change. I know a couple of accounting professionals/management that have previously worked in non-profit. Given your experience, I am sure you brought to light issues they wanted to keep in the dark - things they want left alone. They may have had a couple of specific things they wanted improved or they may have said that to get someone with your experience in the door. Professionally, find comfort in knowing you did a good job and this is not a reflection of your professional expertise and skill set.

    Personally, it stings. It's disappointing none of the executive team replied back at all - even with just a simple "thanks for your note, I wish you the best of luck". At the end of the day, these aren't the people you should let hurt you. Look at your team itself - they were sad to see you leave and one person was so upset by your dismissal that they quit! This speaks volumes - you were respected, liked and appreciated by your team. That's the true testament of you as a person, leader and skilled professional.

    You were not the problem in this situation but rather a solution that was not appreciated by your executive team.

  21. Anita

    When you are terminated or ‘allowed to resign’ from an organization you find out you knew & associated with these people only because of your work location. If you live in the same community as you worked, you may run into some of these people again and they may or may not speak to you. The ones who thought highly of you will speak, the ones who were scared after your termination will not & may act like they don’t know you. It’s part of losing your job and you can’t let it bother you.

  22. Anonymous

    A similar thing happened to a friend of mine, but in her case, it was the board's decision. The rest of the staff quit when they heard. Not profits are a mess that way. I suspect your ideas were too up-to-date. Most places are bad at change, and nonprofits are second to none in that realm.

  23. Anonymous

    I'm sorry this has happened to you. It is just hard, no doubt about it. It will take you time to process; allow yourself that.

    You've received a lot of feedback that I trust will be helpful to you. I would like to contribute a slightly different angle. I am not suggesting this is THE correct way to think about it. It's just something additional to consider as you ponder all of the feedback here.

    I've been a nonprofit leader for more than 35 years in organizations ranging in size from less than $200k to one that was $78m at the time. In most of my jobs I have been hired as an agent of change, often after an embezzlement or following a longtime leader (20+ years) who retires.

    Some nonprofits are definitely dysfunctional and toxic. Others are model places to work. In other words, they are similar to for-profit companies. In my experience, "nonprofit" is a tax status, not a business model. Every organization has its culture.

    As others have noted, what happened to you could very well be 100% due to internal dysfunction. If that is the case, I agree with the others to let it be the organization's problem.

    Given your feelings, though, it seems like you are not 100% sure it is all their fault. It's natural to blame yourself and to look for reasons.

    If there is one, you may find the clues to it in your boss's words about "fit." Change management is a real skill set. It has to be learned, and the trick is applying those skills in each cultural environment you find. If we try to bring change in a manner that doesn't align with the organization's culture and values (both spoken and unspoken), we are experienced as not fitting well. We are the outsider trying to harm things ... and if it's our bosses or boards who think so, they'll circle the wagons and we'll be out.

    On the other hand, when a new team member/leader can figure out how to bring needed change in step with their perceived culture and values (even if it needs to evolve), they tend to be embracing of our message more of the time. Certainly there are dissenters--as when a lone board member of mine sent emails to the rest of the board 3 months after I started a job saying that I was a "dictator" that needed to be let go before I could do more damage-- but unless the organization is completely dysfunctional, the majority will help get the changes done. That is what happened when the person accusing me of being a "dictator" was quietly dealt with by the board president and the the change continued. I worked there 8 years, and she was off the board in 3 years.

    In any event, as you consider your next move, it can only help you to learn about effective change management if it is not already a solid skill. No matter what jobs we take, we are always the newbie and, therefore, we have the opportunity to be agents of change.

  24. Anonymous

    I completely understand what you are saying and agree with you wholeheartedly. The thing is, I was responsible for the financials. When they couldn't be created because the CIO would not allow me to have the system fixed, the chairman let me have it. None of the other leaders stood up for me and I took full responsibility for the failure. I did so, not because I felt it was my fault, but it was my inability to make the CIO understand his inaptitude on fixing the system. That is the lesson I take from here. That is the fault I see. I need how to learn how to work around bullies or walk away sooner.

  25. Anonymous

    All the amazing comments here have really covered most of my thoughts on this having experienced it myself (fired from a job I had been with since it was a START UP and was totally blindsided and heartbroken and embarrassed when it happened...and in my case they let go of my entire deptartment/division, so I was the leader who went quite literally down with the ship...

    Having this traumatic career event really messed me up, and because it was only 2 months before covid hit, the financial impact of unemployment was greatly eased by expanded covid unemployment benefits but my period of unemployment greatly exacerbated by this as well as my industry (foreclosure /default services) was hit hard and the supply and demand outdated things to the point that it took me 8 months to find another job and when I did, I was forced to pivot into an unfamiliar area of the industry and step back from a director level role to a supervisory role...

    I thought myself very supportive and that I was a cooperative leader with a skill for team building and process improvement all of which I brought to my new role, eventually some of the coworkers from my previous company left their role to join me in my new place of employment and we worked together to bring about real measurable improvements and a lot of change...much of which was communicated as needed but less then appreciated once achieved due to it shining a light on other areas of weakness within the organization that they were not yet willing to admit or able to address, leading to a lot of perceived resentments toward our team and a campaign of blame and finger pointing at us and me specifically , all if which i thought was an unfair mischaracterizations that created a difficult and exhausting environment to work in day after day when always having to be on the defensive.

    When I recently reflected back on my early start as a new member of an established but quickly growing and changing team and how I spent months reviewing all the issues until I confidently laid out to my VP that the only way to achieve the level of success he wanted was that a systemic and procedural change would be needed as well as needing to pursue a new vendor partner as our growth had simply outdated the current long term vendor that they had been using for over a decade despite their clear performance failures and inability to meet service level expectation for many years.....and i laid out a full performance monitoring system as well as plans to source a new vendor....but when they were not willing to put the financial and staffing support into my recommendations/action plans i lost a lot of time blaming things that i had brought to their attention that they had refused to fix and this struggle went on for almost two years until the AVP who happened to also be my direct boss finally gave it to me straight on a business trip we attended together and where I was once again firing off about how the limited and inept views of our SVP had kept my hands tied to the point I felt i was working with one hand behind my back , and he looked at me and then finally told me flat out no upgrades or enhancements to the system were possible and we needed to work with what we have and find another way to solve the problem. Period. So it had taken three times longer but eventually began ebbing higher and higher in our performance and after 3.5 yrs turned a dismal inherited performance score of 2% to a 98% that we have upheld long term for the last 4 quarters, and improvements to our performance metrics, vendor scorecards, client SLA, and compliance scores hwvr all may have been achieved faster had I understood that the DENIALs I was receiving were not because I was an outsider or to punish me for highlighting other issues and them wanting to conceal or avoid dealing, and that i was so wrapped up in my own personal perceptions i had convinced myself that i was cast as an enemy, rather than the reality of the situation was that it was my own refusal to work with others interests in mind. So I had to really reflect on this and ask some tough questions about my precioua confidence to be a skilled agent of change and if I was then I should be capabale of finding multiple solutions to what really was multiple problems....and As our team and direct leadership is keenly aware of the all around improvements that we were able to force through manual process changes, and baby steps without rocking the cradle or requiring the original time and money investment i had recommended I regret having been so insistent that I alienated myself way more than I had known and also regret that it took as long as it did for my AVP to comfortably take me aside and explain what I was percieving as other peoples issues were my issues and the teams issues and frankly I am grateful that I wasn't shown the door before I could adjust my sails.

    I am not saying this is your situation I am only mentioning mine to inform you upon your own reflection times now as it is so haed to deal with thr onslaught of emotions, self doubts, anger, confusion and financial distress that the real tragedy eould be if we dont at least get some truths and lessons as a take away.

    since your comment was emphatic about the need for the CIO to heed your recommendation that I thought it may be helpful to ask yourself during your reflection period if the CIO''S ineptness was real or perceived on your part or if there is a possibility there was "a fit issue" simply their way of hinting they were unable to work cooperatively with you to bring change in a way that they were willing and able to accept? Remember this is not blame i am putting on you because communication works both eays and if they had an issue with your fitting in yo the company values and culture then they should have made attempts to illustrate this to you annd provided clear and measureable explanations and examples that fed this perception.

    since they do not seem to be willing to provide you with honest feedback and clarity on whete you may have fallen shy of performance expectations the hard work lands on your shoulders ro ask yourself these questions.

    was it an inept operational leader that created these perceptions .... or.... were requests met by your own insistence that what they wanted was not able to be done because they had denied the only avenue of recourse....?

    while many times there may be an easier way to achieve a specific result there is truly very few situations where there is ONLY ONE WAY and if this may have lent to a perception that you were not collaborative or flexible enough for compromising with the corporate leadership team based on effects to the whole rather than just what would bring improvement to your singular area.

    If you were consistently meeting all hurdles with a spirit of adaption, collaboration and cooperation and it was truly this one CIO who was problematic then admit you were thr victim of circumstances out of your control and move along. If you reflect on this and take away that you need to work on your soft skills to be perceived as a more team oriented player, then you can take steps toward improving and strengthening yourself in this area and reap the benefits through success in your next role.

    I wish you the best of luck and I am truly sorry you are going through this. It sucks no matter the reason and it hurts a lot. But it does get better. Count on it. You have all the control in this moment. Get it !

  26. Anonymous

    Take a deep breath. They cut the cord firmly because of something that might just be out of your control and not about you. Generally when you are terminated leadership will ignore you after you leave, even in a kind note. I hope you are able to collect unemployment (quitting sometimes means you cannot) and that you have a mutual non-disparagement clause in the exit document you signed. It sounds like this came completely out of the blue and if it did the not knowing is what will keep you up at night but don't let it. In the end they didn't deserve you, or perhaps the changes you tried to make to improve their situation were too radical for their style. Dust yourself off, make a list of the things where you excel and when asked about why you left the response should be misalignment with the way financial books were kept. End of story.

    Someone will be glad to hire you with your experience, keep upbeat and visualize this place in the rear view mirror and a speed bump on that road as you drive ahead.

  27. Anonymous

    Oh sweet JESUS - If I hear that phrase again, I’ll puke

    how can one better themselves or realize it was them and NOT you

    im so sick of working at this point

  28. Anonymous

    I am so sorry this happened to you. Sounds like organizational politics on steroids and you may have been the fall person for something. I’d keep a couple of connections inside the company to see what narrative they spin about you after you leave. If they harm your professional reputation for something you are not to blame for you could have a defamation claim.

  29. Martha J. Eligio

    Do not waddle in self pitty!!! Try to see this change as a new door opening for you. Yes, it hurts, but you have to apply your greatness eslewhere and where it is needed. Get back on the prowl and get to applying for positions that interest you.

  30. Jackie Ruka

    Politics is rampant right now and it’s happening more and more. The smart ones get let go… not because you are you but because there is another plan in place and it’s nothing to do with you. Most likely a henchman at the top telling leadership what to do to get ahead. Often they will let ppl go and start with a clean slate. Personally, I think you dodged a bullet.

    Take your smarts and skills where you are appreciated!!

  31. Anonymous

    The "smart ones" know how to play the political game.

    If you're not playing "office politics," then you can't claim to be smart.

  32. Anonymous

    I get what you are saying but when you play office politics when do you have time to work?

  33. Anonymous

    You integrate navigating office politics as part of your work.

    Navigating office politics doesn't require extra time; it requires knowing how to play the game while you work and especially make decisions.

  34. Anonymous

    lol. The smart one know how to play, they just don't need to, because there will be better opportunities. The dumb ones play, because there is nowhere else for them to go. Nobody else will hire them.

  35. Anonymous

    Don't tell me you believe there are workplaces where no office politics exist.

    If you believe that then you're at the lowest level of "dumb" there is!

    ALL workplaces have office politics, which, if you're smart, you'll learn to navigate.

  36. Anonymous

    When you say politics are rampant at work, do you mind elborating what type and in what sectors?

  37. Maegan, Nike Sales Rep & Career Coach

    I'm sorry you are going through this. Just know it's not on you. The other colleagues were probably told NOT to respond or communicate with you for the time being. It sounds like you made an impact you can be proud of and leave with your head high. I know it's hard, but try to not make it mean anything about you, your work, or your character.

    On to the next adventure. You got this!

  38. Anonymous

    Lots to unpack.

    (a) Never "live your job."

    (b) You have no friends at work.

    (c) NEVER take a job where "They said they wanted someone to help put things the right way." I learnt this the hard way.

    You were hired to be the fall guy. In other words, they knew the employees would be "pissed off" with anyone trying to put things the right way, so instead of the CEO doing so, he hired you, and when the "noise" of discontent got too loud, he let you go.

    (d) Nothing I can say will make you feel better other than learn from your experience.

  39. Laura S

    Having been on both sides of that situation, sometimes when I know someone was forced to leave by the company, it can be awkward to reach out to them again, especially from the company domain.

    Take a deep breath and tell yourself you did the classy thing; it’s not on you if they repaid your class with silence.

    In a couple of weeks, if there are still some people you want to reach out to, try connecting with them on LinkedIn. In the meantime, look for a headhunter or other position, and use the interim time to relax. I agree with the other comments here; you’ll be back to work in no time.

    You’re very close to the situation right now; sometimes the real reasons these things happen isn’t clear without distance of both time and space. I was once unceremoniously terminated in a text message while I was on vacation and couldn’t understand why; but as the months went on, everyone who’d been brought in by this one SVP was terminated. It felt so personal at the time, but I came to realize it wasn’t me at all.

    You will find something better, and soon. Take this opportunity, learn from it, and move on to better things.

  40. Anonymous

    O wow this is the ultimate disrespect, for the CEO not to be honest and just tell you the real reason you were let go. Most of these companies now don't have integrity anymore. What I will say to you...You'll bounce back to a better career. Good luck to you.

  41. Anonymous

    It's not personal. It's just business. That's what u need to take from this and move forward accordingly. Don't make work your life - "I lived my job".

  42. Pamela Cortright Sawatzki

    Agree, move forward. But growth and understanding and it is always good to know why. I totally understand. It is good to give yourself a little time to be sad, but then go out and find a job that will appreciate all your wonderful skills. One that offers some balance.

  43. Anonymous

    Sorry that happened to you. I’m just curious, why would you resign? Doesn’t that affect your unemployment? What is the benefit of resigning other than making you feel like it was your choice? I feel like that’s a way of making them look better, while making you think you look better. You may still be asked the question “why did you leave your last position’ at an interview. I know in my area, if they call your previous employers, they can only verify you were employed there and the dates. I don’t think they can say whether you were fired or resigned so it really doesn’t matter.

  44. rgstaffing@bellsouth.net

    Except they can ask if you are eligible for re-employment.

  45. Anonymous

    I too worked for a nonprofit and got laid off. It was out of the blue and they too walked me to my office allowed me to collect my stuff and walked me out the door. I never experienced that in my life! Very degrading. It’s not you. I actually left a meeting with my boss discussing an event to take place the next week and was called into a meeting by the COO in the middle of the day! Very unprofessional. I quickly called my boss, told him what happened ( he was surprised, and only said sorry) I asked for a letter of recommendation right then and there. My advice if you can is to get a LOR from someone , so you can share it with future potential employers. I am still looking for my next opportunity (1 yr later). I do t know if this helps but at I wanted to share that you are not alone and it was not your wrong doing , as it was not mine.

  46. davidttucker@hotmail.com

    One thing Ive noticed in my career is the skill of being a sociopath has infested the American work ethic. I have witnessed (and encountered) numerous times (over and over) where a highly-productive colleague was communicated one message and was then caught up in an action in the completely opposite direction. The only common denominator is the initiator of such an act ends up having sociopathic tendencies, when looking in the mirror.

    I dont have a direct answer for this, unfortunately - other than - always try to have an "out" at the ready, no matter how committed/passionate you are to a role.

    If you can manage/master this emotional thought process that every day might be "your last," this may be the only way to navigate through what we are going through right now. I completely understand that - this might be in the opposite direction from every "feeling in your bones" - but I dont have anything better that I can convey right now. If the "out" navigates you to an opportunity that works beyond your imagination - I wish that for you.

  47. Anonymous

    Not responding is typical protocol. Those who felt like you were a good leader will reach out to you later. I learned a long time ago not to live my job because we're all dispensable, and sometimes when people say it's not personal it's just business I want to tell them bs. We spend way too much time in our waking hours working and women have it twice as hard men to get up the ladder. You are in the C Suite now, you have value and after time you will realize that the CEO's decision had nothing to do with you. You will find another place to work where you will be valued.

  48. Tiana Mumford

    Hi there ,

    I get it and been there and guess what people do make there jobs part of their identity. I’m not here to blame you or kick you when you are down . Does it hurt ? Absolutely, losing someone or something is like the grief process that one must go through. The only thing that you can see is how people really feel they have unmasked themselves. You will find something but I would file for unemployment and let them determine your eligibility. It’s tough and you need uplifting not just from this professional platform but from family! Much peace and blessings for you!

  49. LORI-ANN BURLINGAME

    Are you aware that your posting is in bold print? Why are you yelling at us? In addition, there is a big difference between confidence and arrogance. As I read through your posting, there was a lot of arrogance. This might be a good time for some self-reflection.

  50. Erica Lanyon

    I think there may be an issue with the Post box. Previously, it had a separate section for a bold header (which was visible in the Fairygodboss email) and a space to share your comment/story. However, now it appears to be consolidated into just one box which is bolding everything and acting like a header.

  51. Anonymous

    Thank you for that answer. I was wondering why it happened.

  52. Anonymous

    No I didn't realize it was in bold. I am absolutely confident about my skill set and not at all arrogant. You, on the other hand, shouldn't be on this site. You are clearly not helping anyone.

  53. Jennifer Chickenlittle Rubberchicken

    Well I hate to say this, but it sounds to me like you uncovered or were about to uncover some goings-on that they didn't want you to! Also, I entered nonprofit briefly recently and I found that I, as a businessperson, often didn't speak the same language as the nonprofit environment. I was used to doing things quickly, being decisive (because you die in small business if you don't) -- and also in communication misinterpretations. So it could really be that you were intimidating or being misinterpreted; I sure was. But it also could be that there are iffy financial things going on and they decided you were trouble?

  54. Anonymous

    You are under no obligation to stay at a company that doesn’t appreciate you nor is the company under any obligation to keep you. It doesn’t seem possible that you hadn’t any warnings that you weren’t fitting in. It sounds like you weren’t paying attention to the signs and not making an effort to do what the ceo wanted. Those are the rules and the ceo needs clearance from the board to fire you so it sounds like there were grounds. If there weren’t grounds you might want to pursue wrongful

    termination.

  55. Wendy Glavin

    Meet with someone in the Human Resources Department and explain what happened. You should have been given a reason in writing.

  56. Anonymous

    A summary dismissal or termination does not require a letter or explanation

  57. Marcia Smith

    I'm so sorry that they treated you like that. Clearly, they did not really want you to fix anything. They did not want the organization to correct any of the issues regarding finances and/or financial reporting. I was the executive director for a small nonprofit - when I started they had SO many problems. They had hired a book keeper who CLEARLY did not know how to do financial accounting for a nonprofit - so I cleaned everything up and we started using a financial system specifically for nonprofits. They were SO ungrateful and difficult to work with - I quit after a year. Some high-level employers and managers SAY that they want someone to do a good job but what they really want is the status quo.

    Let these people go and move on. They did not value you, your experience, your knowledge and your ability. Find an employer that values all of these.

    Best of luck!

  58. Anonymous

    Being let go from a job that you've given your heart and soul to does hurt. It's akin to a bad breakup that you really didn't see coming. To add insult to injury, you're made to take that walk of shame - being led through the office by security to pack up your things and then escorted out as if you're some kind of pariah that needs to be watched. It's humiliating and defeating. It can seem like it isn't fair but in the inequity of it all, we take our lumps, and we learn our lessons. Losing a job may seem bad in the moment, but it certainly isn't fatal. And you're not the only one it has or will happen to. And if you live one nano second past the hurt, you're making your way towards a better outcome that's designed specifically for you. Maybe it will take a minute to get to where you should be, but it will happen. All the best to you and I'm praying for you sister girl.

  59. Jessica Ferland

    Allow yourself space to grieve the loss. Similar to what someone commented already about a breakup or similar, this one hurts. Then show them up by finding a different fit and being gloriously successful and happy.

  60. Anonymous

    From your post, it’s clear that you are a conscientious and sensitive person. Those are huge assets. As time passes, you may realize that the reason why you were let go really doesn’t matter. And although a specific reason or the validation of them responding to your emails would be nice, they have no reason to do so, and it just creates a paper trail that their lawyer probably told them not to create. As other posters have said, grieve this loss and slowly you will begin to move on. Put these people in your rearview mirror and keep moving forward. There are lots of emotions wrapped up in losing a job that you are committed to so allow yourself to feel those feelings. I am very sorry that this happened to you.

  61. Anonymous

    This precise thing happened to me last week. Sudden firing couched as a resignation and my paralegal quit two days later.

    You are a kind and intelligent person and that’s what matters. I am sorry you were treated this way. You did not deserve that. Cut your losses and move forward at your own pace.

  62. Anonymous

    I'm so sorry this happened to you!

    I was fired last week from my job as a program manager at a non-profit for not being a good fit. I was told that I was too lenient on the staff. ??

    They also treated me like I had done something wrong. I had been transparent from day one that I pour into my staff in order to get the best out of them. I was creating the growth they said they wanted, but in doing that I ended up shedding light on cracks in the foundation. I wanted to repair the foundation and they saw that as shining a light on what they had not done.

    Although I placed no blame or judgment, I pissed off the person who felt guilty. So when you say you maybe pissed off some people, you absolutely pissed off some people. It only needed to be the one right person. Decisions like these, without hard facts aren't just business. They are personal. Someone got emotional and decided you were making them look bad or you were too good at your job and would uncover something. If it was really about business they would see how you were adding value and worked with you.

    There are two notions that are helping to take the sting out of this situation. 1. A week prior, I kept hearing, "Rejection is for your protection. " We are being redirected to where we are supposed to be or to what we need to be doing next. 2. I made a positive impact on my staff. I was what they needed. You did right by your staff. Hold your head high.

    Side note: depending on the state you live in, you don't get Unemployment Insurance benefits if you are fired or resigned. It's an insurance that employers pay. It's designed for layoffs. So many people think it comes out of your check. It doesn't. Employers typically fight it if you weren't laid off.

    I hope this helps! Good luck finding a place where the powers that be will appreciate your fabulousness the way your staff did! May it come as quickly as you need it.

  63. Anonymous

    I'm sorry about what happened to you. Obviously you know what you are doing in your industry otherwise they wouldn't have hired you. I'd recommend looking into going to work for yourself and opening your own firm, that way you can control the process and earn a better income. Not to mention you'd have full control over who you take on for clients.

    I was wrongfully terminated from my last traditional employer, and due to health problems I'm no longer considered employable by traditional employers but I'm at the same time I'm considered not disabled enough to qualify for Social Security Disability. So, after I lost my job and I was able to get a small settlement offer I decided to take some of the money and start my own small bookkeeping firm. It was the best decision I ever made. I can set my own schedule and pick my own clients, or during the rare times that I don't have any clients (which does occasionally happen, as some clients hire me only to do clean-up/catch up of their books and then I show them how to handle things on their own so they don't get in the same position again that led them to needing my help) then I either concentrate on taking free or low cost courses online to help me stay up to date in my industry and the industries that I serve, or I take on contract work as I want to or need to.

    While it can be a little scary going out on your own, you can make a good living at it, and being your own boss definitely has a lot of benefits. However, I also realize that it's not the right move for everyone.

    You didn't lose your livelihood you lost a job that you loved, you can find another way to get back to work whether that's going to work for someone else or going to work for yourself. The people that you thought were friends weren't really your friends because a true friend would stick by you no matter what.

    If you decide to take the self-employment route, I'd start by talking to someone at the organization called SCORE, and the information for your area can be found at score.org, they are a great group of people with various business backgrounds and they were a great free source of help to me, when I first started my small business. In my case I also had access to a lot of former and current business owners in other industries, since my dad is a retired general contractor and one of my friend's has a friend that is a retired small business owner in another industry that were both able to help provide me with general guidance on what I needed to do to start my business. Not everyone does have people like I did to help me, when starting out, which I was beyond grateful for having that initial help and support.

    So, take some time to recover from what happened, and once you are ready to begin to move forward again sit down and figure out what your next move will be whether that's going to work for yourself or going to work again for someone else. The main thing is to remember to have faith in yourself, and you'll thrive at anything you put your mind to and ignore the negative people around you that try to bring you down.

  64. Kelly

    Consider going on your own and becoming a Fractional CFO. Fractional employees are becoming more and more common. https://tipalti.com/financial-operations-hub/fractional-cfo/#:~:text=A%20fractional%20CFO%20is%20a,and%20other%20CFO%2Drelated%20activities.

  65. Anonymous

    Would love to!

  66. Anonymous

    In today's world, professionalism no longer exists. If you value work ethic and integrity too bad for you doesn't matter whether you work in the nonprofit, public or private sector. You will soon see the exit door.

  67. Anonymous

    Sadly true!

  68. Lori Caso

    What are we missing here?

    1. How long were you employed there?
    2. I understand that “at will States” can let you go for any reason… but in such a high position I’m surprised there was no indication prior that they were unhappy…
    3. No performance reviews to indicate that there were areas in need of improvement?

    This seems very mysterious. That being said, many times companies will discourage keeping in touch with employees who are no longer part of the team.

  69. Anonymous

    I was employed for nine months. I was told that if it ever came down to the CIO or me, it would be him (he was there for 8 years). He threatened to quit. He did not know how to fix the accounting system. Lose/lose situation.

  70. Anonymous

    I agree with the comment that your accounting background that may have uncovered things they didn't want you to find and putting things right wasn't really what they wanted. I have learned the hard way to be skeptical of companies that say they want change when they have been doing the same thing for years. They often malign the messenger. This is likely what happened to you. Good Luck!

  71. Anonymous

    Lesson learned!

  72. Tami L Cannizzaro

    So sorry this happened. Agree with others here in that the organization really didn't want "change". They wanted status quo with someone who appeared to be making changes. Just hiring you was all the change they could handle.

    I've been in a similar situation. Deep down, I knew the owner was not enamored with me despite my great work and praise from clients, simply because I was doing things that were out of her comfort zone; things she had never done before or had no experience with. Could it be that your level of expertise was too much for the organization to handle? If they don't understand it, they are afraid of it.

  73. Anonymous

    100%. They are definitely not as business savvy as I am. Management has some ego driven men that stick together

  74. Sonja Clarke

    Hi, sometimes, when an organization wants to trim costs, it will let people go with high-paying salaries like yours.

    Think about it: You probably did your job so well that they could hire someone significantly junior to you to manage the processes you put in place. The people not responding to your emails are probably worried that they may be next on the chopping block and are trying to save their jobs.

    Don't feel bad. Be grateful for the time you worked there and the processes you improved. These are gifts for your resume. Now dust yourself off, say good riddance, update that resume (remember all the process improvements you made), and get out there. There's a world of new opportunities waiting for you.

    Also, remember, in this economy, anything can happen.

  75. Kate Hopkins

    You are not alone. I was asked to lead a struggling nonprofit, to get them on a path to financial sustainability. I made a lot of decisions that needed to happen, closed down underperforming sites, asked pointed questions, tried to get us to operate in a more business-like manner, create a capital reserve, update outdated systems, etc. I was asked to leave in the same manner - although they did spare me the perp walk - they fired me after hours at my first annual review. BTW, in one year I had taken them from a $1M operating loss on a $6M budget to a balanced budget with the beginnings of a capital reserve.

    My takeaway - whenever an organization asks you to come make changes, you need to really probe deeply to see if that's really what they want. Because often what they want is magical thinking - more of the same but a different outcome.

    Questions to ask at your next interview: Why haven't they made those changes in the past? What was the barrier? Describe a recent change they made, how did that go with staff, leadership, board, funders, clients?

    As to people not responding to your emails - some of them may want to respond or reach out, but they feel uncomfortable given the circumstances of your departure. Others just may be back-stabbing jerks. Hard to say.

    I definitely found as I shared my story with colleagues that there are many more people out there in our shoes than you realize. And hiring managers usually get it when they are hiring for people at your level. Things don't always work out. You'll find a way to nicely describe how it wasn't a fit and move on.

    Feel free to DM me if you ever want to talk. I totally get it.

  76. Anonymous

    Thank you for your comments. I really think I stepped on some upper management toes and made them look stupid. I mean have you ever heard of buying new financial software and making a 7 year contract for almost $10 million????? How irresponsible is that?

  77. Wanda

    I agree with what you're saying. I think friendships happen as a byproduct of being in the workplace, but yes, we shouldn't expect it to happen.

  78. Anonymous

    So sad

  79. Anonymous

    I am so sorry! This seems to be a trend of some kind. I was not a C-Level executive, but back in May, I was hired as a contractor to be an architect of a company’s CRM. I thought it meant they wanted me to be an architect for their CRM.

    About 2 weeks in, they made it clear they just wanted me to do what they said and not what I would suggest. These people are not technical and are brand new to the system.

    After one month, after I had delivered on everything they requested, I was locked out of their systems with no explanation as though I did something criminal. I kept going over it in my mind but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would do such a thing.

    It seems business, be it for- or nonprofit, seems to bring the worst out of people. It’s often cruel beyond comprehension as is clear by all the posts we see here.

  80. Anonymous

    I feel for you. This just happened to me last month and I was the manager of a department. When I asked for the reason they didn't have one. Whether it was a financial business decision or I was making changes that made others unhappy because of the waves I was causing to move the company forward, it just stinks and I was caught off-guard. I was also walked out which was humiliating although I greeted people on my way out. I had nothing to be ashamed of. I did good work made a lot of improvements in my time there.

    Like you, I lived my job. I sacrificed many weekends and time with family to research and improve processes to make the dept best in class. I am taking time to decide how I want to move forward. Perhaps you may consider contract work so that you can get a feel for how the company values retention?

    For myself, I am 4 years from retirement. I don't need to make the amount of money I was making as we have enough to be comfortable if I take a job paying less. I don't know your situation.

    If I jump back into a similar position I will be back living my job. If I demote myself I will suffer a professional and financial blow but I will be paid OT for my extra efforts and will not work near the amount of hours I was working as manager. It's the golden handcuffs or working to repair relationships that have suffered as a result of my work ethic.

    Whatever you decide, you need to accept that if you stay in your current role, there will be no work life balance because it doesn't exist. While you sacrifice relationships for the good of the company, the company is like an adulterous spouse. They will not be true to you.

    Don't lose sight of what you are professionally capable of. You may want to document what you've done in your time there before you forget everything.

    I wish you the best.

  81. Anonymous

    I am in the same boat as you. I only needed 4 more years. At my age, its not so easy to find another job.

  82. Anonymous

    I worked as a consultant implementing technical changes that internal IT groups could not do. It was highly specialized data/AI work and they paid a lot of money for us to do so.

    I noticed a few things about change initiatives.

    1) There is always someone who believes their team could implement the work despite not having the core skills on the team to do so. And feels their toes are stepped on.

    2) Even for teams that agree, there are turf wars preventing real progress.

    3) There are teams that will refuse to provide you with what you need.

    4) spotlighting (even if done expertly) that something has a gap is guaranteed to upset at least 1 powerful person.

    I have examples for all of these. But on the point about pissing people off: I performed an evaluation and saw that the process wasn’t going to implement the AI work that we needed. I proposed an alternative and that client “fired” me from

    the initiative the next day. He hired me to provide an expertise, when I provided it, he fired me. And he hired us! What he wanted was “a throat to choke”. He wanted to say: see I hired these folks and we would be better suited to hire the staff and do it ourselves. He wanted to ensure that consultants would be ruled out so he could build a bigger organization.

    you don’t have to agree with my assessment but, my point is, someone was playing the long game. Yes you pissed someone off. But, they stood to gain something by being pissed off.

    It wasn’t you. You did everything right.

  83. Anonymous

    Exactly. Even though I loved this job and so sad to have left, I wouldn't change a think. I am proud of my ethics and morals and I have to act in the best interest of the company, even if that means losing my job.

  84. Anonymous

    Put that in the “win” column. :)

  85. Anonymous

    I see so many response here so what I say might be repetitive if so, I am sorry for the repeat.

    I spent most of my 30+ year career in the NPO world and "fit" is always the comment that is made when someone is let go.

    Like you, I worked for 15+ years with a very well-known organization. I gave my life to the organization, nights and weekends. Got a divorce during my tenure and climb up the ladder to be "thrown out" one day without warning. What did I do? The boss wanted his protege in the job after I fixed most of the problems, so the organization did not need me anymore.

    At this particular organization, once you "left" for whatever reason, you were "dead" to everyone. Talking to a person who "left" is forbidden. I can guess that your colleagues might have wanted to reach out but are afraid to do so. That's how some leaders lead - through fear. It's a toxic.

    I hope in time you can reflect on your good work, dust yourself off and move on. BUT it does take time and allow yourself time to process and feel the grief, because it is real. You believed in the mission and it's hurtful to be thrown out like trash.

    Now here is the great news. Financial people are in high demand right now. Dust off your resume. Write out how you are going to answer "why are you looking" or "why did you leave x organization" and practice it so it is natural to say.

    You will land a new role and close this ugly chapter. I hope in a few months, you can realize they did you a favor because it was most-likely a toxic work environment.

    Best wishes!

  86. Anonymous

    Well said! Perhaps could say that there was a re-org. That’s a fairly standard response these days.

  87. Evon Young, MBA

    I'm sure this was devastating and sorry this happened to you. Go through the several steps of loss of a job, reflect and move on. You know your worth and guess what they did not deserve you, your talent and value you brought to their organization, and that's their loss at the end of the day. When one door closes, another opens and it's always better. Trust me you will look back and thank them basically or mistreating you by their actions. Jobs and people come into our lives for seasons, this season has ended now you can look forward to the flowers blooming in your next career opportunity. Enjoy the summer as much as possible, let your family and friends love up on you and get back in the game. Keep going you got this!! Wishing you the best of look in search. E!

  88. Anonymous

    I’d like to offer a new mindset. Something that just occurred to me: layoffs, focus plans and PIPs are just a part of the American corporate culture today. Think of it as: you’re doing something right. What wish happen for our mental health if we budgeted for (expected) 4-7 layoffs in our professional career? We’d accept it as the new status quo and would no longer assumethat we had done something wrong. think about it— the company WANTs you to think it was your fault rather than cost cutting measures or power imbalance. You’re less likely to sue for wrongful termination if you’re too busy feeling sad, anxious and depressed to act. :)

  89. Anonymous

    Makes total sense!

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