As someone whose been on both sides of the hiring process, I wish especially in difficult markets there was more transparency.

As someone whose been on both sides of the hiring process, I wish especially in difficult markets there was more transparency. I understand that some companies are required to post jobs posted even when there's already an internal candidate. If that's the case, before an interview, the external candidates should be aware.

That way, it's their decision whether or not to proceed. From the application, interview prep and assignments, if you NEED a job, not wanting to advance your career, this means having enough for food or rent. Another option is you've done the required posting, unless you know you are open to outside candidates, don't conduct the interviews. You've fulfilled the requirement.

I've been in companies where an offer has already been extended as it was a promotion and I've been required to hold two sets of interviews and assignments. I've addressed with HR that I did not feel comfortable with putting applicants through that process for an internal promotion and I was told ' you'll do what we require if you want to work here.' I left a short time later as there were a lot of things that I couldn't support and I'm on the job hunt as well.

This is a waste of time as this whole process took months and then the same thing for her replacement. To make the matter worse, we moved up an internal employee already to the replacement role as well. It took 6 months to complete the process for both employees which left the small team to pick up all the extra work when we already knew what was underway.

As a job searcher, this process is maddening. There are jobs that have been posted now for over a year. I was working at the time and saw them continually posted each month and are still listed. I know companies pay to post for x time but I doubt this a real position.

With so many talented people on the market, desperate to find work , the whole system needs a revamping. If you 10 plus years of experience, you shouldn't be looking for over a year. Yes, it takes time to find a job and the 'right' fit but excuse the rant but companies are playing games. Fake jobs, interviewing candidates and then after rounds, reposting roles for $20-50K lower because they received a lot of applicants is a cruel way to save money.

Unless there was a budget cut, this is a ploy. I just went through five rounds for the same level role that I had prior and the job was reposted this week for $50K less. Their reasoning, we had over 200 applicants and someone will take the role at that amount. You not only wasted over 199 candidates' time but to go that much lower in a city with a high-cost of living, that's not enough for rent.

There are a lot of wonderful HR staff out there but to the ones playing games, you're messing with people's lives. Some are deciding what meal to eat today and trying to make ends meet until completing that final round only to be ghosted. Due to at will companies, even as an employee, you don't feel safe. The stories that I've heard are heartbreaking and I know of a VP in another state who until a friend took her in was living in her car until it was repossessed for lack of payment.

Excuse the rant but we need to be better! The US is a country where people have arrived to chase their dreams and in the past, if they worked hard enough could accomplish them. We're living in an age where it doesn't matter how hard you try or talented that it needs to be right timing.

There aren't perfect employees. There are hard workers with an aptitude for the job. Even if you've done the job prior, each company has different systems that require on the job training. I would rather have someone who has 9/10 requirements and is willing to learn rather than the unicorn everyone seems to be chasing. Good luck to everyone searching and we need to do better for current employees and prospective candidates.

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  1. Anonymous

    All of this, 100% accurate

  2. Anonymous

    She's sharing her perspective and experience. You don't know her. There are people in this forum who value the guidance and support that the majority provide. If you can't be helpful, don't reply.

  3. Anonymous

    I know it's frustrating, but I have personally been involved in situations where the internal favorite didn't get the position because the panel was so impressed with an outsider. I've also hired people who interviewed for and didn't get previous positions but were so great that I reached out to them when I had another role (one that was a higher level and basically written to her strengths). Don't look at it as a waste of time. Look at as potentially a job but potentially a networking opportunity at the least.

  4. Anonymous

    Hats off to you for working within HR. Sounds like your employer gave you the “it’s our way or the highway”. It’s also difficult to watch processes you know are not ethical or are too cumbersome. Some posts you will see internal candidates only. Have you considered pivoting to a career coach in higher ed? The skills transition well and it’s satisfying to see the outcome and students who can benefit from your expertise. Hang in there! But consider higher ed. It’s a lengthy process sometimes but they are desperate for workers. Many are jumping for higher salaries. Turnover is everywhere. Not just corporate but state jobs are safer. Not sure if any of that helps but keep the faith and if you look in different places for work the door may open a lot easier.

  5. Anonymous

    Often, company policy or regulation requirements dictate consideration for external candidates, even when the front-runner is internal, so they interview externally with a "wink, wink, nod, nod" just to check off the box that they did it. It's a big waste of time, and I agree with all of this.

  6. Anonymous

    There are lots of articles on this phenomenon. You're right. Companies do it for various reasons. Sometimes just to hoard resumes. It's crazy. Likewise there are lots of ways to mitigate these "ghost job postings". Google and familiarize yourself.

  7. Anonymous

    Companies don't hoard resumes, you are delusional. Larger companies might have what is called an evergreen role posted where they have multiple roles open for the same job title so you see that job posted forever. For example - Google is always hiring Software Engineers. So they go through many folks to get to whom they cherry pick to hire. The only other postings that go up when they are not going to hire externally are ones mandated by the VISA and green card process. Learn more about this by getting educated vs just agreeing to falsehoods from this persons post.

  8. Anonymous

    Above is packed with emotion, I would suggest to go in under the assumption that there are always going to be internal candidates. That is the mindset you need,IMO. No use complaining that you aren't told, they owe you nothing, you currently have zero ROI. Also, blanketing it to mostly place 'blame' on HR is unfair, please know that there are other decision makers involved that can drive the timing and weighing the decisions on costs of a new hire versus promoting from within. Small companies can have HR play a bigger role, but not overall. Requirements vs right fit, aren't the same. You're frustrated, glad you have this forum to rant, however, pointing to others or even a country is unfair in the big picture. Not here to argue but to level set that sometimes things are out of our control, even in HR. wishing you luck on a better day today,.

  9. Anonymous

    Wow quite the rant, and blaming HR once again!

    > There are a lot of wonderful HR staff out there but to the ones playing games, you're messing with people's lives.

    HR, oh sorry you mean Talent Acquisition takes direction from internal leadership when doing interviewing and hiring. They get their marching orders from those who are making the hiring decision. They are merely facilitators whose role is to guide the process. Sometimes they have more weight in the conversation and other times they have zero. I personally have worked in TA and HR for many more years than most.

    Interviewing is a 2 way street and process. As a company yes transparency is a good thing but it is not on the company to owe you letting you know as an external prospect that they have internal folks they are considering. If you need to know this as a candidate, ask during the interview process why the role is open and if they are considering internal folks too. You may or may not get a reply that gives you information. That depends upon what the company chooses to share publicly.

    As for your commentary about fake jobs and reposting lower salaries after getting so many replies, again this decision is made by hiring managers not HR/TA. If the candidate pool is large and they have many to consider that do or don't fit their hiring requirements often they might test the pool by interviewing many prospects simply because the role is new or the HM has no idea what they really want. Additionally, often the interview team has not pre-worked how to assess qualified candidates so the interview process is poor because none of the interviewers is prepared.

    The best defense as an applicant is be prepared yourself. Research the company, pre-interview. Know the backgrounds of the folks you will meet with. Pre-plan your questions and be sure to ask why the role is open, how long it is open, when they hope to fill it, why the last person failed, if its new why now. Don't assume that because you think you are the best for the role that there are not others who are too. At the end of every interview ask for direct feedback, while you are in front of the interviewer. Listen for signs that they have a positive review of you. Ask for where you might fall short. You have to fully engage and be true to yourself when doing this because you need to know if you will advance so you can continue to prepare to get to the finish line. Use your references, and check out folks who have left that prospective employer for true reviews of what it is like to work there. Take control of your own destiny, and don't blame HR. I'm getting tired of that line because it doesn't factor into why you do or don't get a job. Okay, there's my rebuttal rant!

  10. Anonymous

    I’d sync up with their corporate lawyer and post evidence of companies unethical practices, financial crimes.

  11. Anonymous

    Well said! I have interviewed well and done projects to end up with nothing. I had to do Uber and take a job as caregiver for $19 hr to pay for necessities. Three months ago, I had to move in with my ex because I couldn’t afford the apartment. The system is broken and like many other job seekers, I am desperate and afraid of losing my mind. Good luck to everyone who is looking for a job.

  12. Anonymous

    Wishing you all the best. Don’t give up!

  13. Kim Raper

    I could not agree more - the fake postings are the worst. It should be illegal but i assume its not. Its quite sad.

  14. Anonymous

    So sorry this is happening to you. Stay committed and don’t give up your search!

  15. S J

    As a job seeker searching for something better, it is very frustrating to deal with fake job posts and recruiters who waste your time by ghosting you. I don't think it's fair for companies to post jobs if it's only going to go to someone on the inside. Companies go through all of this to find the "right" person to bring into their toxic workplace which is just wrong in itself... Please don't bring me into your mess of a company...

  16. Anonymous

    Well said! I agree with you 100 percent.

  17. Marcia Smith

    this is SUCH an issue that I now ALWAYS ask in an interview if an internal candidate is being considered. If one is, I mark the job off my "hopeful" list.

  18. Anonymous

    Yes, at least this way you can move on and try to apply for different job.

  19. Marcia Smith

    100%! The last time I looked for a job, I applied for 200 jobs and had over 20 interviews. I am 57 years old with 25 years experience and a doctorate degree. I only work 100% positions - and the competition and job search process are utterly grueling!!!! Fortunately, I found a great job where I am valued and I have a wonderful boss :)

  20. Anonymous

    I certainly appreciate your candor. I know that at company, I was recommended for a role and I was somewhat close to becoming a finalist for the computer job. But I never heard back from the company.

    In another job, I had a good interview. But I never heard anything back from the company.

    It seemed quite obvious that there were some internal candidates that were chosen from the roles. Unfortuantely, it just makes you wonder if people ever really have a chance to be considered for a job unless they are an internal candidate.

  21. Anonymous

    It sounds like you were looking for some sort of “confession”, where the hiring manager was going to admit that the other individual was chosen based on her age or looks-to validate the fact that you were the better candidate and she was not. Even if that were true, no one in their right mind would ever admit that due to legal or just plain moral reasons. Don’t beat yourself up over something you can’t prove. Suck it up and move on. If it bothers you so much move on. If nit, try your best to support her. Who knows? She ma decide to move on if she’s that young and beautiful and if you play your cards right, you could be next in line!

  22. Anonymous

    I don't follow. Are you answering the correct poster? This one doesn't mention age or looks.

  23. Anonymous

    Probably not! Thanks for pointing that out. I will try copying and pasting into the proper post! ?

  24. Lorraine

    Bravo. So very true.

  25. rahmi diarti

    "Fake jobs, interviewing candidates and then after rounds, reposting roles for $20-50K lower because they received a lot of applicants is a cruel way to save money"....

    Wish there were more HR people such as you... Thank you for your insight and wish.

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