I've been in the same role (title/pay) for my current employer just shy of 11 years and am very frustrated. Get a cup of coffee; this is a long post.

I've been in the same role (title/pay) for my current employer just shy of 11 years and am very frustrated. Get a cup of coffee; this is a long post.

I had hopes this would be my last employer (5-7 years to go to retirement), but am starting to interview outside the company - and may be in the position of receiving an offer in the next couple of weeks and having to make a decision. Is this just a case of be thinking the grass is greener on the other side though?

Frustration points:

  1. Pay has not kept up with inflation over the years. Applying the consumer inflation index, year by year to my starting salary to now, shows that my purchasing power has declined to about 85% of what it was. As a single mom with no other income, I'm feeling this. (If my salary had just kept an even pace with inflation, I'd be earning about $15,000/year MORE than what I'm earning now - which also would have a positive effect on my retirement savings).
  2. I've tried making the case to my current AND previous managers (team managers changed) - and everytime it's "You have all the skills and experience needed to be promoted, but there's no headcount or open req to allow for that". I've been hearing that same line now for several years! Even when someone on the team who WAS at that level left, and I thought I would be able to apply for that vacated position at that level - it didn't happen - the previous manager posted the position at my same level, instead of at the level it was when the team member departed.
  3. The previous manager's position was at least two levels above me, so there was room in the grade-level chart to move up, just no open requisition for a spot to move into. The current manager's position title is lower than the previous manager - and actually the level I'm trying to get promoted into. I feel it's unlikely that my current manager would ever promote me to the same grade level that she is at.
  4. I've tried posting internally for other positions at the next rung up. I get shot down. Reasons like: "You don't have SmartSheet training", "You don't have project management experience (even though I've successfully managed projects up to $1M), "we identified another person for the role before we even posted it internally". In that last situation, I was promised that I'd be seriously considered for the next opening, which we knew was coming because a person had left. That second opening hit our intranet this week; and the hiring manager called me to tell me that another person was already identified, so I could apply, but the decision was made (again) before the posting hit the intranet. This has now happened to me THREE times.
  5. The nature of my duties has substantially changed over the last 11 years. It's become less traditional BA and solution design analysis, and more "implement and configure" to a software package that is NOT sold elsewhere, so there's no external career growth by becoming an expert in this homegrown software system.
  6. It's also unsatisfying being told to do my best to shove a square peg in a round hole - to "make the client's data work" in a system that wasn't necessarily designed for the client's particular data.
  7. Despite increasing profits, my employer has been quietly cutting costs: letting people go without announcing a downsizing, cutting fringe benefits such as tuition reimbursement (in the middle of a semester, jamming up employees who were expecting to be reimbursed), wellness benefits and employee award programs. Merit increases for years now have been typically between 0% to 2%, even for workers meeting or exceeding expectations. They even took several medications off of the formulary in the middle of 2025, leaving those employees who need those medications in a financial jam.

That's not all of my dissatisfaction, but it's enough to have me looking elsewhere. But I do have concerns on the current job market.

  1. My current position is a permanent "employee" position. I am seeing that the vast majority of opportunities right now for both BA and/or PM work are contract positions, with some promising "temp-to-perm" options. As the sole income of my household (and I do have some health issues, well-managed with expensive prescriptions), I feel I can't risk taking contract roles, especially where health insurance may not be affordable (or comparable) to what I currently have. So that significantly limits the opportunities I am willing to look at.
  2. I am also trying to get to a point where I can save more proactively for retirement. Currently, I'm able to (barely) put 6% aside into the 401k (employer matches 50% on the first 6% of employee contribution). If my pay had kept up with inflation, I'd be able to put more aside for retirement - or pay down mortgage debt. Some employers don't match (or don't vest on the match) for up to three years after employment begins - I'm not at a position where I can afford to skip out on the employer match for 401K contributions.
  3. I also recognize that I am fortunate the my current employer puts a pay credit equal to 6% of my gross wages into a corporate pension plan - and it seems most companies no longer offer pensions. That's an important consideration too.
  4. I feel my age (and disability status) are factors for some recruiters/hiring managers; early '60s. I want to be able to retire by age 70, and my disability is currently well-managed with medications. I think some employers view that as a double-risk or whammy. For some positions that I have applied online for, where I indicated that I have a disability, I've gotten notification that they are going with another candidate, sometimes within just a couple of hours of submitting.
  5. The specifics of any medical insurance plan, and the prescription formulary, is of great concern to me. One of my medications retails for about $3,400/month, so ensuring that is (and remains) covered on the formulary is pretty darn important for me.

The risk of the "grass is greener on the other side" - there's no way to know for sure if I do receive and take an offer elsewhere, if I'm just trading myself into a similar situation.

At least where I am right now, if I were to be "downsized", I might potentially get 20-22 weeks of severance pay to float me while job-hunting. If I take another position and it doesn't work out - there wouldn't be any severance pay to fall back on. I am seeing others who were in my position still trying to land a job 12-18 months after being downsized. I literally can't afford to be out of work more than a month or two at most without risking losing my home (or having to raid my relatively meager retirement funds).

I'm considering that IF I do get an offer elsewhere that might be good enough to take that risk - of possibly first talking to my manager and my manager's manager to ask them if there is anything they can do to make it worth my while to refuse the offer and stay with my current employer. It's a strategy that I have never used before; and I know that if I play it, I have to be willing to take that job offer if my current employer isn't willing to do anything to keep me.

Thoughts?

How have others used the "job offer in hand" strategy to successfully negotiate to remain with their current employer?

And how to ensure that the employer sticks to whatever they might agree or promise to keep an employee from taking an offer?

Am I being foolhardy to even consider trying to find another job at this stage of the game? Should I just "hang in there" with my current employer/role until I either retire in 5-7 years or I am eventually downsized whenever my employer chooses to go that route? (Also-when they downsize an employee - they are gone that same day. There's no orderly transition of project work to remaining team-members.... you're just... gone.)

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  1. Anonymous

    Your employer has been crystal clear with you for more than a decade that they're not afraid to lose you, they're not interested in promoting you, and there are no consequences to paying you below market value. You've stayed in this position for 11 years!

    I say this with kindness, they're also not going to match an outside employer's offer. I would NOT use that strategy unless you're absolutely ready to walk.

    I'd start aggressively looking for new jobs, outside of your current organization. Best wishes in your next steps.

  2. Anonymous

    Every time I've seen anyone use the offer in hand as leverage has actually back fired fairly quickly. There are reasons no one is advocating for your career growth and you continue to be stuck so in my mind it won't happen.

    With that said, you have made a great case to remain due to your family/personal circumstances.

    If you receive an solid and enticing offer, I would try and use it but knowing your days might be numbered. No one is routing for you more than me. It's so hard to be stuck.

  3. Sandra Regnell

    These kinds of choices are rough. The decided to go the contractor role FT after the last layoff. I'd been toying with the idea half my career and honestly wish I'd done it sooner.

    But that's me and my risk tolerance. You have to make your own assessment based on your own wants and needs.

    Hope you find some options that are win/win.

  4. Anonymous

    I'm sorry - I just skimmed over the middle...that was a lot (I get it though, I do).

    First the "offer in hand" no - don't go that route. That is not that way to get an increase. That is likely to backfire. If that's what it takes to get an increase, why would you even want to stay there if you have an offer in hand?

    You've stuck it out long enough. They've showed you how much they value you. They keep making empty promises, and you continue to go with it. Do yourself a favor and find an employer that does value you and your contributions and support your growth.

    Been there done that. And it's often said that the only way to get a raise is to find a new employer.

  5. Tami Cannizzaro

    100%. The company has shown how much/how little they value you. The good news? You have a job, and this allows you some time to keep looking until you find the right opportunity. Do not tell anyone that you are looking. Change can be scary - there are no guarantees, whether you stay or whether you go. When you get an offer, analyze it and make a decision. When you take an offer, don't look back. Nothing to be gained from that.

  6. Anonymous

    Stick it out where you are

  7. Anonymous

    Lots to unpack here. First, you shared many things that the company and managers have told you that should have been reasons to think about leaving or moving on and you chose to stay. Perhaps you stayed for stability or the hope that they would give you what you wanted. That did not happen and you stayed. It seems that they have been downgrading new hires for less money and less responsibility. Also depending upon how you are looked upon in the company (do you complain, do you work well with others, have you done things to learn new skills, or go beyond expectations) you may be unknowingly blocked/not being considered from moving up. Take stock of yourself and your skills. It seems like your main goal is more financial reward and you've simply outgrown your current employer because of the things you listed. Your options are to move on to someplace where there is greater compensation or to stay and wait for retirement. IMHO you should shop yourself to the market see what is out there. Find a company that aligns with your goals and where internal movement is something that is always considered before hiring from outside. When you look if folks ask the why let them know that in recent years the company is becoming less progressive and that you want good challenges in your work.

    As for your disability, if it is not a visible disability checking out the companies input into your cost of benefits is something you can dive into before accepting another offer.

    Playing your current company against another offer is a losing game because if you do that they may just wish you well and send you on your way. Most often those who take counter offers are giving their employer time to find their replacement. Once you decide to go and let them know that they will possibly start to find your replacement. Don't take that risk.

    A better option might be to have a direct conversation with your HR person and manager and see if there is any wiggle room for cost of living and/or some kind of bonuses for doing great work. If it doesn't exist, it just doesn't exist. And then the choice is clear to move on. Being of a certain age is only a factor if you go in making it one, if you go in being a confident great new hire a good employer will see your worth and value. I run HR at my company and I am over 60 so that should say a lot. Good luck in your decision.

  8. maria rose

    Being that close to retiring from full time employment, making a change to get am assumed increase in pay, will affect any expectations for retirement income benefits because you will be going from a job where you have a seniority time working at to becoming the new employee who is basically at the bottom again. Another thing to think about is where you are financially in this part of your life not just career wise because you may not want to be forced to continue working past a certain age for whatever reasons . You need to look at the long term view needs not just your perception of being underpaid at your current job, that doesn’t seem to not necessarily want to terminate you because of downsizing tactics which is quite prevalent in most companies in today’s world. That grass is not always that green as it looks elsewhere. So unless you have your retirement plans set and that’s not that far away, don’t assume that you have those last 5 years left guaranteed and make your decision based on your long term finances.

  9. Joan Williams, Senior Talent Acquisition Specialist

    There is a certain amount of risk in taking a new position but you could be laid off at any time from your current company. There is no guarantee of severance - that is at the employers discretion.

    Personally, I have never used an offer as leverage with my current employer. I started looking because I wanted to leave. End of.

    Regarding counteroffers from a current employer - I have seen this backfire on candidates more than once.

    Their current employer lied to them to get them to stay then they called me in tears asking if the offer they had turned down to accept the counteroffer was still available and it was not.

    IF you are considering accepting a counteroffer from your current company, I would highly recommend getting whatever they want to promise you in writing. If they refuse, that would be a red flag for me.

  10. SPQ

    I am also in the BA/PM field, though 20 years your junior. Been following the job trends for 15 years and definitely see more contract roles.

    Just my personal opinion on your situation--I wouldn't leave unless I haf a FT job in hand.

    You said you're $15k short of where you should be, but your monthly meds and RRSP match are likely $4-5k/month ($48-60k per year). Not sure if you factored that into your total rewards package. I'm sorry about you getting short changed. It sucks no matter what.

    This job market is horrible and, although I've never been a contractor, I've known peers (BAs) who have and it's rough... Not saying you'll end up that way, but that is the job market and trend. That's why I say, find something full-time if you can.

    Regardless, I think it's still risky. There is no guarantee your next FT position won't lay you off and say they're going to use contractors instead.

    I've been told that if you want to--or rather, are *forced* to have to look for contract opps, it's almost a full time job. Most want you to be incorporated. And then of course, you have to network like crazy. The most successful contractors have been contracting for years and have formed a network with BAs and PMs, known and asked for by name by those PMs or employers they've worked for. They don't use recruiters, they have curated their own list....

    So that's what I would prepare for. The cost of 1.5 years of unemployment, and how much that might set you retirement back.

  11. Joan Williams, Senior Talent Acquisition Specialist

    You wrote "There is no guarantee your next FT position won't lay you off"

    There's also no guarantee her current company won't lay her off.

  12. Anonymous

    I am in early 50s and was at a former employer for 13 years with similar " Here's are 100 reasons for not promoting , salary increase". The best thing that ever happened was leaving there and going to a new company that was amazing with a $25k increase . However you seem to not be fully on board with actually leaving so maybe there is an option for a different role in your current company .

  13. Roseann

    I was in your position 3 years ago. I took another job and I received an increase in pay by 10%. When I gave my notice, my company countered-offered. I said no. Since then that company was sold and I would’ve been out of a job. As others have said, get your offer in writing and do the math. For example-my bonus % was the same and other were tied to sales. My health insurance went up with my new job but the reimbursed my cell phone bill. Ask for the health insurance plan to review. I did and it was

    a great way to compare and verify if the salary increase is in line with new benefits. It was difficult because I was with my company for 17

    years but I felt it was time to go and I am glad I did. Good luck!

  14. GirlBossanova934974

    Your company has made it quite clear for the last few years. They are not going to promote you and/or given you a substantial raise. NOT happening. It is time to put much more work into finding another role at another company. Make sure it is full time with full benefits and go from there. There is no reason to stick around. AND PLEASE don't take any counter offers from these people if they attempt to give you one upon your announced departure.

  15. Anonymous

    It is better to leave on your own terms than to top out of your grade level and then get laid off. That happened to me when I stayed with a company for 22 years. They replaced me with two recent college grads, and then went out of business because of some SEC violations that sent their executives to jail. Good luck in your job search.

    I agree with everybody else: a solid NO to any counteroffers, as that could put you in a position you'll regret a year from now when there still is no promotion, and your salary is once again frozen where it is.

  16. Anonymous

    I can certainly understand your frustration at being passed over for promotions, but being so close to retirement and needing a medication that is covered by your current employers plan; it sounds like you would be better off staying put.

  17. Diane Oswald

    Early 60’s with a pension? Stay put. Use gratitude to find the good things in your current position and team. Become a SME and continue to network if you want to be the candidate considered before a position posts. I wish you the best.,

  18. Anonymous

    From experience - this idea that merit raises agree tied to cost of living is a bogus concept. We basically know that merit will be between 2 and 3 % every year - definitely not keeping with inflation.

    Second most companies are flattening their organizations and using more general broad based job titles for a couple of reasons - it makes it easier for HR to find salary ranges and also if a reduction in workforce happens, it is easier to have 12 people with the same title to review to let go 3. Less likely to get into, age, gender or race issues.

    You do have a few nice benefits. Speaking as someone who is in your shoes - it is frustrating- I have so much to offer, but keep getting pushed to the side. Jokingly referred to as the fixer in the company I don't think they want me tied up a lot into one thing. I have been holding on for the last 5 years or so and I have about 1 year left to hit retirement. So hang on and just figure out how to survive. Focus on your health.

  19. Anonymous

    I am sorry to hear about your frustrations. Many are stuck right now due to the job market, and it can be frustrating.

    From what you have described, the chances of you getting a significant raise or promotion where you are is slim. I tried the "I have another job" spin back when the job market was better. I then accepted a counteroffer out of fear of the unknown. I ended up leaving a few months later anyway.

    You will never truly know if the grass is greener. Checking Glassdoor on your potential company and asking the right questions during your interview might help spot any red flags.

    Also, in this job market that 20-22 weeks is a gamble. Sure, you could get unemployment after your severance expires but for many that is not enough to get by. Ageism is also very real in this job market and securing a role will be an uphill battle in this already crazy job market.

    If you secure an offer from one of your interviews, I'd suggest taking some time to write down the pros and cons of each. Do some research on the company - especially where they are in the AI journey and how fast they grew during the pandemic. If they are starting AI and grew fast, layoffs are likely. If they are more advanced already with AI and have scaled slowly, the chances of layoff are less (but not never).

    It sounds like you are ready to leave. From my experience the counteroffer never lasts, and they will always see you as a short timer. If they do not value you now, a counter offer just indicates they still do not value you. It's just inconvenient for them if you leave.

    Good luck!

  20. Anonymous

    STAY. In this job market especially. Is a little more money worth losing your possible severance, pension and 401k match? It might be but it wouldn't be for me.

    Any and all companies are cutting costs wherever they can. Typically from what I have seen in my work history in Corporate America, Unless you are a blue collar making the least, it is a last in-first out situation.

    Can you tough it out for 7 more years? With the experience you have at your company, how would the PTO measure up? How much are their benefits and what kind of deductible/formularies do they have? Some don't realize just how important these things are? What type of manager do you have? Do you get along with them or are they toxic?

    I personally would NOT pull the job in hand to negotiate the salary. Yes, you might get the salary you are looking for but when it comes time to downsize or any other number of reasons, they will think "well xxx is looking elsewhere anyway - we might as well let her go"

    Good luck in whatever you decide to do. You can get advice from anyone but you have to know what is best for you in your heart. I was offered a job recently for about a 25% raise from my current job. I didn't even interview for it. An old coworker is now a boss and recruited me. Yes the cash per week would have been great but the longer commute, being the new person, less pto, higher insurance premiums and 3 months before getting benefits made my decision easy.

  21. Anonymous

    I would say to continue to interview and if you receive an offer, wait until background check etc is complete. Once you are completely cleared, decide whether to give your notice. If they truly want to retain you, they will make a counter offer. You need to decide what it would take for you to stay, understanding they may harbor some resentment. If you do choose to stay with a salary increase, etc. make sure you get an offer in writing and signed by the appropriate person within the company. Make sure you're completely covered in casethey try to pull it back.

  22. Anonymous

    As a seasoned PM (and certified PMP) who also has about 7-10 years to retirement and just landed a permanent job NOT as a PM/ IT PMO manager (because 60+ hours a week and RIFing ppl was no longer my jam), I'll be the first one to tell you that these days, 90% of project management work is on a per-project basis/ time-limited/ consulting/ contract work. Temp-to-hire means nothing.

    You sound more like a data engineer, so that's where I would look--along with getting one of those fancy new AI certifications on your resume.
    OTOH--you have an employer-sponsored PENSION PLAN? That is so rare these days. If I were you, I'd ride those few years out and find something on the side that excites you (I opened my own piano studio, so I have my comfortable day job in which I spend 37.5 hours a week to nice benefits and my happy place outside work that I can grow and nurture).

  23. Anonymous

    So much good and thoughtful advice. I can't add anything that hasn't been shared already. This post hit me hard, being in somewhat the same situation. Wishing for the best for all of us. I hope you let us know what happens. Sending you positivity and strength!!!

  24. Betty Warrick

    If your disability doesn't affect your job, as in, needing a reasonable accommodation, don't disclose it.

  25. Evelyn Livant

    I read your overall post and a couple general thoughts:

    I’d be frustrated tooI’ve seen my best salary increase when changing jobs
    If you don’t feel like you can take on consulting roles and need permanent employment, only consider other opportunities that provide those opportunities
    Best wishes

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