Advice Needed

Advice Needed

Hello! I find myself in a pickle, and need some advice. I am an assistant to a fairly public person - in the “my taxes pay your salary!” kind of way (even though that’s not really true). Because of this, the person I support often gets calls from patrons making complaints - some valid, many ranging into the insanity territory.

Today was a doozy, though it was a reasonable complaint. They kept me on the call for 45 minutes, telling me about the incident with security one of our locations. Then she started demanding a return call from my person. My person does not deal with the day to day running of the organization - he can’t, it’s huge. Frankly, his job is to keep the wheels on the bus so that every one *else* can drive said bus.

I told her that I would let the appropriate people (who are not my person) know about the situation, and that it would be handled - and that they would reach out to her, if she so desired.

Friends, she does not desire. Only a call from my person will do. She’s going to call back on Wednesday (I managed to hold her off to buy myself some time). My person isn’t going to talk to her; we all know it’s NEVER going to happen. And truly, it’s not that he doesn’t care what’s going on in the org - it’s just that if he talked to every person who called with a complaint, the org would literally fall down around our ears. That’s why we have people to deal with the complaints.

I’m seasoned EA with almost 20 years of experience, but this has caught me off guard and I need to extricate myself from this when she calls again. Help!

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  1. Anonymous

    Also feel free to laugh at me, because I fully know that this is ridiculous LOL

  2. Anonymous

    Many times someone higher in the org can calm this sort of thing down. Even someone the same level just a different voice. It works in customer service jobs, people feel heard even though you say the exact same thing.

  3. Anonymous

    The hold button is your friend. Give her 2 minutes of talk and 10 minutes on hold then cycle her through againand again.

  4. Anonymous

    Wow, after that tenure and this is the one that caught you off guard! Nice run. If you have people who should be taking that call put them on hold and transfer them? Obviously, and you probably are, validate their concern but firmly explain that if you want who may be able to take on the task of their concern they will need to seek the support of the other partners in the org that have the bandwidth to look into it further. The 'public' person with their schedule is unable to make such a promise and that is not what you want, is to let them down. Explain your control of others schedules only goes so far and if you say they would call them back that that would not be the truth and "please don't ask me to make you a promise that I know I am unable to keep". I do care about your concerns but want to get this infront of the right people to move forward with this. Ask them, 'can I ask you to trust me that I know who this needs to get in front of". You can, however, let them know that you will share this concern and who it was handed over to? Your 'public' person should atleast have that information, tbh.

  5. Anonymous

    Right?? I got off the phone and was like "what just happened??!!" LOL

    Thank you for the input!

  6. Anonymous

    Use the 'hold' button? Don't become a part of the problem. Please don't do that to people. Working in the public sector brings its challenges, as you are aware of, but don't treat people like that.

  7. Anonymous

    Oh, no. I've only ever done that with truly abusive people (because I don't care what job I'm working, no one gets to treat me like that). Ijust got myself backed into a corner, and now I have to figure a way out out, lol

  8. Anonymous

    You're not forced to do what she says ask her to put it in writing and then pass the bucket along.. what can you with a verbal complaint...

  9. Barbara Thompson

    My suggestion, to keep all three of you in the best possible light, is to tell her you and your person talked specifically about her individual situation, and allow as how that in itself was unusual, and then tell citizen your person is demanding that citizen be immediately connected with person at department x that has been personally directed by big person to handle this. Big person apologizes for not having the opportunity to give it the attention this deserves. Save everyone’s face.

  10. Anonymous

    I like the way you think. Also I might be at lunch when she calls back, LOL

  11. Anonymous

    As an EA, you should not be taking complaint calls. There should be a process in place in your organization and a designated person for you to transfer them to.

  12. Anonymous

    Oh, there is! But people want to talk to the P R E S I D E N T because their complaint is the complaintiest, haha

  13. Rachel Steiner

    “Their complaint is the complaintiest”

    I’m saving that. It’s great. ?

  14. ReachingGoals

    Yeah, that sounds good in theory but we all know the person who answers the phone hears it all 99% of the time

  15. Anonymous

    I am an assistant to an elected official. Handling these calls is my job.

  16. Anonymous

    I like the suggestions here but as this is a public person, do they have a PR person you can get involved? The might have an existing process to whisk this person off your desk in a satisfactory manner.

  17. Anonymous

    I would take the call 1 more time, explain the same thing, and if she keeps calling speak to your telecom department to have her calls go straight to a voice mailbox.

  18. GirlBossanova934974

    Candidly as a small business owner myself, we have to deal with these sorts of calls from time to time. I am not sure what you thought you were getting into when you took on this assignment with a public person. "Public persons" get these sorts of telephone calls on a regular basis. The KEY is defusing the situation! The caller is angry. It's an emotional response to something that has been to them. And let me tell you. In many cases, this sort of anger is somewhat justified these days as many organizations have utterly abandoned their customer service. BUT that is why I am still in business because my company does listen to angry customers and we do our best to make things right! AH HA! So the FIRST THING is EMPATHY! Listen, do not talk! Let the caller run themselves out so to speak. Then try to provide support. "Oh Miss So and So, that is absolutely AWFUL to hear!" You said they did what? OMG! WELL WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK into that! You can them call them back in 2- 3 days after the dust has settled and let them know your ORGANIZATION is "doing its best" and we certainly DO APPRECIATE the call! There it is........Good Luck!

  19. Christi Lopez

    Yes, so much this! I worked in a school district and received many calls from individuals (parents/members of the public, etc.) who were not happy. I had a call from a parent one day that was livid. I listened for about 40 minutes, indicated that I understood and he was a parent that just wanted what was best for his kid (and so on). By the end of the conversation he had calmed down and was actually apologizing to me for the way he treated me. Most people just want to be heard. And for those that wanted more, I would discuss it with my boss. Sometimes he would provide a solution, but have another member of leadership give the message. Sometimes it would be someone that he'd already had knowledge of and he'd personally return the call.

  20. Anonymous

    Small business and public sector are such incredibly different animals. I appreciate that you provide good customer service and customer service is universal. And there are certain specific processes in public service that are different.

  21. GirlBossanova934974

    Candidly, I worked in the public sector for half a dozen years and have run a small business for a dozen years. And they are the SAME ANIMAL when it comes to customer service. Customer service is customer service. Now there may be a bunch of non accountable public servants these days who think they can do whatever they want when it comes to the taxpayers. However there is the ballot box. In the customer service world, clients are going to make unreasonable demands from time to time. One has to deal with it. I learned this from my mother back in the 1970s when she as PUBLIC SERVANT dealt with complaints all the time from her clients at the Los Angeles County Department of Social Services (DPSS). At one point, my mother had well over 2,000 clients she supported via the several dozen case workers she supervised.

  22. Rebecca Milliken

    I've been in similar situations where they nave to talk to the BOSS an no one else will do. But the boss has no interest in talking to the person. There have been so many times I felt like being totally honest and saying, "Look, the boss couldn't care less, it's my job to handle complaints." There must be someone between you and your person who can quell concerns, i.e. above you and below the person? If not, I would have dealt with it the same way you did--tell her I have informed those who need to know and that's all I can do. When I've been in that situation that's literally what I say because it's the truth.

  23. Anonymous

    I'd say you have to convince her that whomever you direct her to IS the BOSS of whatever is relevant to her complaint. Don't try logic... it will be lost on her.

  24. Jessica Ferland

    I'm so sorry!! I work in state government and understand that these things can be tricky. I would let whomever the right person for her to talk to know what is going on so they are prepared to take the call and just transfer it when she calls back.

    Unfortunately, it's really common for people to vent their frustrations to the person who picks up the phone and by the time they get to the right place, they are sweet as pie.

  25. Susan Heidi Wolman

    Is there a way you can get the person who is responsible for the complaint to pro-actively call her before she calls back? They can say that your boss asked them to call her directly because they were tied up and wanted her to know how much she meant to your organization and that her issue is being dealt with by them personally. The more times she calls back, the angrier and more unreasonable she will get...

  26. Anonymous

    They specifically told me they do not want to talk to security.....which is the problem because the head of security is the person who should be dealing with this issue.

    (that noise was me banging my head on my desk)

  27. Anonymous

    I've had many of these callers in Hospital Administration. I politely and assertively let the caller know that my CEO has been made aware of the situation/caller, and that he/she has requested and entrusted the department head/lead to speak with the caller. Offer to provide the department head's name, number (and/or dept assistant/secretary's info) to the caller.

    Thank her for calling to let the CEO know of the situation, assure her that your company takes all concerns into consideration to improve in the future, and Bye, bye.

  28. Maggie Stone

    This person wants their concern validated by the person they perceive to have the power to fix the situation. What about a letter or email from your person?I don’t think passive aggressive stuff like keeping them on hold or going straight to voicemail is going to fly because that will only make them more agitated.

  29. Sarah Borders

    I have worked as a public librarian, and I know we had similar situations sometimes. My only addition to the advice offered here is to formulate a few solutions (two to three would be ideal, and there are A LOT of ideas offered here) along with the potential pros and cons of each approach, and discuss the situation with your boss. Whatever response is implemented, it needs to come from your PR/external communications head, and when you have your discussion about the options, you can present them with the understanding that you will discuss whichever approach your boss approves with them.

    You have 20 years’ experience as an EA; if this situation is novel to you, it may be to your boss as well, or maybe not. Either way, this doesn’t sound like something that can be handled without their input, and coming with solutions is always appreciated. Good luck to you!

  30. Goalsetter398287

    Try this:

    ”Oh, yes. Mary Smith (not your person, but a person who can talk to or listen to her) handles these complaints now. She has been expecting your call and is eager to discuss this with you. Let me transfer you to her right away.

  31. Kat

    As long as you give the person a heads up first (via email/phone), I don't see a problem with this approach. Even if it's just a "this person is very demanding and wants to talk to the boss, but I know this is your area" before transferring the call. That way they'll know what to expect and why they're dealing with this. Hope this works, because some people are very entitled and demanding even when they have no reason to be.

  32. Maggie Stone

    As long as Mary Smith has the power to make a decision or take action, that response is perfect. And yes Mary Smith should have a heads up.

  33. Anonymous

    Give her two choices of an acceptable response…Whatever those choices might be, and let her choose. There is no option number three and there is no option for the company owner to call her back personally. She’s acting like a two-year-old and so I would treat her like a two year old.. you can choose to receive a callback from someone in this department, or a written response from blah blah blah… make sure these are reasonable options and then document document document document. Repeat over and over to her very politely that she can choose option a or option B…And when she continues to throw a fit over the telephone, then you tell her again that she can choose option a or option B and if she’s unable to make a choice within 30 seconds, you will disconnect and select option A for her… document document document. She is not allowed to verbally harass a place of business or an individual such as yourself. If you must, get company security or law enforcement involved

  34. Anonymous

    I would do one of 2 things. A- once again listen, often times the complainer just wants to be heard. Let her know that you are empathetic and that the complaint has been sent over and now it's out of your hands. B-Write a note memorializing as much as you can of what ensued in the 45 minute call and then either avoid taking it or when she calls let her know you are on the other line, put her on hold for several minutes and let her know when you get back on the call that an escalation to someone else has been sent as of the first time she called. Let her know that you understand the feelings of importance she has around her complaint but that other pressing business matters take precedence.

    I work in HR and when I interview EA's I ask how they would handle things like this, generally my recommend is stay calm, placate the person, be empathetic. Keep it short. If the call went that long generally I suggest you interrupt the call with them saying there is an urgent call coming in from your person and that you must go. Never let them keep you on that long, because then they control the situation. You need to step away and not personalize it as much. You could also suggest to her that she put her complaint in writing as it would get much better return and that could make her go away.

  35. Anonymous

    Is making her "go away" good customer service?

  36. Anonymous

    Yes, it is as it relates to this posters need to not be abused by a person who is continually trying to control a situation that they cannot control. Some level of go away needs to happen and note I did not say it in a pushing way, going away can happen gently too.

  37. Anonymous

    I’m going to be the devil’s advocate here and suggest the opposite to everyone else.

    The complainant feels unheard and may be suffering from a mental health condition. This is a valid feeling and they are not able to reason at this stage. They feel alone and unheard. No one acts like a two year old for this long and throws a tantrum.

    Since this one caught you off guard, I’m going to assume it’s quite rare to be in this position. Why not ask your person to make an exception and just call this person. They will fall over backwards with shock, and feel heard. Your person needs to explain this is not usual, and won’t happen again, to ensure it is clear it’s not setting a precedent for the future.

    Imagine how the complainant will feel. They’ll probably be speechless and forget their complaint anyway.

    Your person is human and not ‘better’ than everyone else. A little humility once in a while is not going to make the wheels fall off the bus.

  38. Anonymous

    Wouldn’t this create a butterfly effect of the negative sort if in case this customer went and told all her other friends that the higher up boss is now addressing calls? Just out of curiosity - what if it goes down this path? What do you do then?

  39. Anonymous

    I’m not sure why she’d do that. I can’t see how her friends would have cause to complain over anything.

  40. Anonymous

    I am coming from a local governance perspective, since I am currently working in one and have to deal with similar issues (not to this extent though). But from personal experience, we have had this scenario pan out where we have gone above and beyond for one applicant (of many), who has then gone and said “council staff xx or council team in xx department are now doing this.” ?

    To the lady who posted this; just to get some idea, are you in local government or high profile setting, where things can spread in the paper?

  41. Anonymous

    You can't control how people respond. Only how you respond to them. It may be likely the caller will tell at least 3 people/friends of her experience. The reputation of the company, if good, will not fall apart.

    Refer the call to the company's Risk Mgmt dept or Customer Relations dept. Both are well versed in dealing appropriately with complaints.

  42. Anonymous

    I completely disagree with your assessment of the person. Plenty of people feel entitled to talk to who they want to talk to. We've all seen the Karen videos. If they call back, I would tell them you've forwarded her issue to the correct person & she will be contacted if necessary.

  43. Anonymous

    Mine was a suggestion to consider, but of course there are many entitled people around. Only the poster will know or have a feel for this I guess. I also try to never use that name in conversation now, as I feel for the people with that name, who are now part of a cliche they didn’t ask for.

  44. Anonymous

    Don't worry about a second call. That's "borrowing trouble."

  45. Gretchen Skalka

    Unless there is a liability issue (something illegal or potentially actionable happened), there is likely not much use in a second conversation.

    Not to mention that it could open you up TO liability.

    If the concern is that the caller is demanding to be heard, I would refer her to legal counsel for your organization and let them handle it from here.

    Your basic human instinct is on point - you want to help both parties.

    But this is neither a situation of your making nor one of your resolving.

    That is likely cold comfort for you right now, but it's in everyone's best interests to refer the complaint to legal and let it be handled from there.

  46. Anonymous

    When or if your customer calls back, could she be persuaded that you've "gone the extra mile" for her and found someone who can solve her issue better than your person can?

  47. Anonymous

    I'm also an EA who fields these calls occasionally. The best to do is first listen closely and sympathize honestly (without assigning blame anywhere). The next thing I do is promise to pass on the information to the correct person, explaining they are in the department that takes care of the issue. Finally what seems to work is I give them my name and number and promise to follow up with them to make sure the issue has been addressed. It's risky but it has has usually placated an upset person and worked very well. And I do follow up with the person/department I've passed the issue onto and with the person who made the complaint. Not easy but it works. If there's absolutely no resolution the person will accept without the anger subsiding I will have the call made by the specialist anyway. I never promise the executive will call them - as you say that is not a good idea.

  48. Anonymous

    Exactly the right answer, and I have used these suggestions multiple times.

    Only addition that I would say is to keep your voice low and soft, especially when they are yelling at you. It will not only likely calm them, but forces them to listen to your words more intently. However, if threats or profanity used by the caller, I in no uncertain terms let them know that I will be hanging up the phone now due to that.

  49. Anonymous

    Yes! This is always my go to! I’m in AR and I get a lot of ridiculous requests that have zero to do with our department.

  50. Bradford McCormick

    Something i wrong with your command chain. No first line customer support person should ever be placed in the situation it sounds to me like you describe. You can only do so much

    I worked in computer programming back in the days when computers were as big as rooms in a house. I saw it from both sides. The buck stopped on my desk. But if I had a problem I could not solve I always could escalate to somebody who was paid more than me to tke greater heat. I mainly had to keep my vcool.

    Once the company I worked for had a problme with its IBM S/370 Model 158 computer. We called our local IBM Field Office. They dispatehed their "cpu heavies" immediately. They tore the computer apart and gave up. So they called in the big guns. IBM flew a man frm Florida who arried looking like he had just left the beach in his shorts nd Hawaian shirt with his little briefcase. He fiexd the problem ahd went back whence he came. There was never any question of anybody except him being stuck with the tar baby. And if he could not hav e fixed it they would have flown in the people who designed the machine (OK, maybe replaced it and sent the defective product backto them). $$$$$

    As I write this I noe something. In all this mess I could haeeen in deep trouble: Suppose they had to replacethe machine? If I had not done due diligence and kept a backup of my companys work, the problem at that pint would have revertedback to me. Ooops -- this wty to the egress.

    You should have 24/7/365.25 procedures for dealing with hopeless cases, including a phone number for 3AM. You should be expected to represent the company hnorably which I am sure you do and will do, but if you have problem beyond you competence or a customer beyond your bility deal with it you should not need to feel threatened. You should be like in the military: Hold the line until reinforcements arrive to relieve you. If thecustomer screams at you endlessly, endlessly very politely repeat back to them each and every thing you are doing to help them while you await rescue (who knows, the 20th time you repeat yourself you may think of something new to try). Then hend it over to the person who is paid more than you to take greated heat.

    If you cannot count on this, then you know the kind of place whre you are working and it is not good. Wor$e from the company'$ per$pective: who want$ to buy from $uch a company?

    That being granted, it you are stuck, keep holding the line and trying every thing you can think for that angry customer until, at some point, you are on the verge of physical or mental collapse -- and, along the way may have to go to the toilet and put htem on hold while you relieve yourself and splash cold water on your face-- then you jsut must apologize to them and tell them you hae to go. God help your company.

    Finally, if you have exceeded requirements and been a hero, one of two things might happen: (1) Your boss tells you you had no tanswered anough complaintes that day and so were not perfoming well enough - -tha twould be stupid but some managers are idoits, or (2), If I wa that angery customer you are stuck with, I mih ttell your boss what an exceptional job you had done under very difficult conditions and they should appreciate having you on their staff.

  51. Kristie White

    Having dealt with a lot of irate customers in my time, first - relax. Just because this customer wants it does not make it reasonable. You worked with them to resolve the issue and listen. If they call back, calmly and clearly stand your ground and express that the system in place is there to assure prompt service. This customer is bullying you.

  52. Katharine Gomez

    She is clearly following the protocols of the organization. Your comment is unnecessary.

  53. Anonymous

    Hello,

    Trying to sign in to post but the system won’t let me. Hopefully this post will make it.

    I’m surprised you haven’t engaged with an entitled narcissist ( I am the best, I deserve to speak to the best-most powerful boss only) before.

    I don’t think there’s a right answer for this but I think everyone needs to be on the same page so you have to consult.

    I hope your boss has an open door policy about communication because there are many ways to handle this from letting them speak with the top boss and just going with the flow, to somebody noting that this is their expertise so they usually answer these questions ( your caller won't

    like that and these people tend to be “Karen’s” or “Bobs” so they complain readily) or the fun option, somebody can lie and say they are king of the castle and talk to the caller, but again everyone needs to be clear on the plan and offer a consistent message, otherwise Karen’s/Bob’s tend to escalate.

    Good luck.

  54. Anonymous

    UPDATE: When she called back (NINETEEN TIMES IN A ROW, mind you! I honestly couldn't pick up because I was on another call), I firmly told her that I had spoken to my person, and that he heard her, but agreed that the folks that I had referred her to in our previous call were the people to deal with the situation appropriately. She was NOT happy, but thankfully, I haven't heard from her again. After reviewing her complaint, security also advised me to have IT block her number, which I will do if she calls again.

    I also took the opportunity to speak to folks above me about removing my person's and my phone numbers from the website, and replacing it with the number of folks who are better equipped to handle these situations. It's been really quiet these past few days, LOL

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