If the Great Resignation is so real, and there are so many jobs out there, and it's a 'buyer's market' for us job hunters, why are SO MANY OF THE JOBS I'm seeing so sucky?

If the Great Resignation is so real, and there are so many jobs out there, and it's a 'buyer's market' for us job hunters, why are SO MANY OF THE JOBS I'm seeing so sucky? I am seeing 'entry level' that requires 3+ years of experience, freelance/contract jobs by the millions, and pay that is frankly shocking to me. Now most of that pay info is generated by, say, Glassdoor, so I can't be sure it's accurate but it's certainly based on something. Ladies, I'm seeing stuff starting at like 26,000. My first job (which did require a masters degree) in 1994 paid 28,000 and I was happy to get it. Who is living on 26,000? I was well paid in my last job (and worked my way up to a good salary (from that original 28k) in my previous job after 24 years and now I will be taking a 30k pay cut *if* I manage to land a job (been looking for 3 months, though I'll admit I've slacked a bit on appls--it's so hard, my depression is real, and I am not liking hardly anything I see. It's just not at all what I want to do, but yes, I am applying and yes I will take it if offered). I cannot imagine I'm alone in seeing this but WHY is it happening? What do you think the reasons are? I know businesses were hit hard, and are still hit hard, by COVID. Is that the only reason?

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  1. Anonymous

    That's the rub. There may be a ton of jobs available but companies, in many cases, have down graded the compensation and title.

  2. Lindawer

    They are factoring in the “work remote” as a perk and downgrading salaries?

  3. Emmy Bemmy

    I think this is definitely an issue in more expensive markets.... I can likely get at least $20K-$30K/yr more if I work in-office in my area (Bay Area) vs taking a remote job. Employers are smart...they don't need to pay Bay Area salaries to a remote worker in Nevada. I'm curious to see if lower-cost markets also see reduced pay for remote work (vs their market salaries).

  4. Anonymous

    I think there is a lot at play....COVID is definitely one of them....

    Some companies would also rather hire younger or less experienced talent because they know they can pay them less than more experienced talent but still want them to do similar jobs.

    Research has found many people don't negotiate salary so companies know they will accept that low number which is why it's important to negotiate salary and benefits for a job you really want.

    Not all of this is researched based fact but it tends to be the trends that I have seen.

  5. Stephanie Mansueto, Corporate Recruiter & Job Hunting Coach

    That's because the great resignation only applies to certain industries (healthcare, food/service and manufacturing) and those that decided to retire earlier than originally planned due to the pandemic. There are some people that had pandemic epiphanies and quit their jobs without having something lined up, but many of them are taking their time to search as their companies implement new remote, hybrid, or back-in-office policies. BUT a lot of them are having harsh reality checks as they look for better paying jobs with better benefits and realizing those aren't as easy to find as they thought it would be. I haven't found the great resignation applies to traditional private sector/corporate jobs. And then as you mention, salaries are definitely not keeping up with inflation but the example you gave seems extreme.

    What jobs are you looking at that require a Master's and three years of experience that are paying $28k/yr? And in what city(ies)?

  6. Anonymous

    It's not a job hunters market. The great resignation is phoney.

    I am desperate for income and applied to 3 banks for teller positions. I have been rejected because they know if I get something I'm actually qualified for, I'll leave. I don't blame them. If I were young and lived at home I'd consider committing to it.

  7. Anonymous

    thank you for saying this. no one wants to admit it, it seems. Someone did explain here that there ARE fields where they're actually hiring, but not many. We are being done a disservice by continually being told it's a job hunter's market. Personally it makes me feel like crap b/c I don't know how to explain why nothing is happening for me. I can't be alone in that. I also worry when every other response in these threads is: LEAVE! Yikes.

  8. Anonymous

    I have seen this in the Dallas area. Companies want skills, experience, and education but the salaries aren’t equal to the position. Definitely seeing $20-$30K less. And the salary expectation question is still too often a single value and a mandatory field, so you get cut out of the candidate pool or devalue yourself by setting a lower salary expectation to be considered.

  9. Anonymous

    Yes! Since when did entry level mean 3-5 years of experience outside of brain surgery. I am in accounting where if you don’t get hired at a campus recruiting event you pretty much can’t get hired at a firm because of the “entry level but experienced” contradiction.
    I have applied at large firms with 50k open positions with all the right qualifications and I still can’t even get an interview forget actually being hired. I’m not really sure what employers want anymore. I’ve done every resume tweak I can, tried to network. All these open positions and none of the employers seem to actually want to close them.

  10. Anonymous

    An “entry level job needing experience” been issue since 2008. So many people were laid off so they were forced to take lower paying job they were over qualified for. This has created a standard ever since and companies know that they can get away with this so why change. I used to work at one of the big 4 and you are correct. Also companies right now are getting bargain on their skeleton crews, who are getting the job done at way less pay. So even though they have job postings they’re not necessarily hiring. I suggest looking outside the major firms, look at smaller firms, gov jobs, accounting jobs in other industries, etc. That will give you experience and then you can get a job with a major firm down the line. Just some food for thought the culture at the big 4 is very competitive so it’s an “up or out” environment. If you don’t want to be a partner/principal or they see that you can’t “hack it,” you’re eventually going to be pushed out. So think about what you want out of your career and life and take steps accordingly. I hope this helps and good luck!

  11. Anonymous

    Your comment is a tad condescending. Where did I say I only applied at big firms? I have applied across all firm sizes and for accounting positions in many industries. My point about the big firm was that they have over 50k openings but nobody is being hired. And big firms are not the only ones who hire the way I described, it’s across the board, you get hired at a campus recruiting event or you better figure out a way to get the exact experience they want or it’s not happening unless you know somebody at the firm. I’ve applied for about 150 jobs in the past 4 months and heard back from less than 10.

  12. Lauren Winchester

    These businesses don’t want to pay more people to do the work their existing employees are already doing. Sure they say they’re hiring, because it looks good, but they have people doing the work of 2-3 previous staff now, so why not burn these candles at both ends to make as much profit for as little cost as possible? That’s the truth nobody is willing to admit to. A company does not care how many people they burn out, so long as it’s profitable for them at the end of the day.

  13. Anonymous

    Unfortunately some that left jobs as part of “the great resignation” are finding the cruel harsh realities of the post covid labor market. Some roles became obsolete. Remote work in some instances was deemed a win-win for all parties, however some employers have determined that these roles are best supported though a contract house or agency resulting in jobs being outsourced, thus some previously entry level positions now require significant experience as these team members are required to take the ball and run with little support.

    Unfortunately likely some who left jobs without a plan are now looking back with some regret as it’s tough out there

  14. Anonymous

    OP here; really good thoughts that answer my questions, thank you.

  15. Marla Hanlon

    I’m in the Mid-West and the great resignation is very real. I have watched people leave my current company in groves. Entire departments wiped out. In turn, job postings are up for months getting one or two less-than-qualified applicants wanting high salaries. Maybe it’s regional or industry specific….but it is very real from my vantage point.

  16. Crystal Miller O'Brien

    I think with these expanding and contracting times, businesses have learned how to do a lot, in terms of operations, with less labor. So, the job titles and wages are (“on paper”) paultry. The actual work, however, because of the competition, is another story and I would imagine will command job security, better benefits, swift pay increases, and incentives that make new employment now not like it was 20 years ago…not even 2 years ago. The bottom line? Hang in there, secure a job, have faith: we will get out of this extremely unique time and life will improve for workers.

  17. Anonymous

    this was a very smart reply thank you (OP here). I hadn't quite thought of that. I know that my job went to our Barcelona office, from Philadelphia for business reasons. That may have been COVID related, though maybe not. But yes, you're onto something....

  18. Joan Williams, Senior Talent Acquisition Specialist

    Don't use glassdoor for salary info - it's not very accurate. There's another site - Pay something - I can't remember the name off the top of my head. It's more data driven.

    I'll post it if I find it or maybe someone else will put it up.

  19. Patricia

    Payscale? https://www.payscale.com/for-individuals/

  20. Joan Williams, Senior Talent Acquisition Specialist

    Here you go:

    Don't rely on Glassdoor for comp info when doing research - there are other sites more data driven. Try Payscale and Salary - both use data provided by employers.

    Here's an article by the awesome Kristen Fife everyone interested in salary negotiations or in a job search should follow her on LinkedIN:

    Let’s Talk Offers, Salary Negotiation, and Compensation
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lets-talk-offers-salary-negotiation-compensation-fife-she-her-hers-/

  21. BeaBoss645203

    When I was applying for jobs earlier this year, I used Indeed a lot for applying. I finally got my current job after 5- almost 6 months of applying, interviewing , ( would actually get at least 2 interviews a week ) . It certainly is not a market for job hunters. I seen a lot of job postings for entry level and then when you were taken to the actual application it would list all of these must have requirements. Or get to the interview and find out there. Also had to fight the age discrimination going on. I also hate to see all of the news headlines asking where the employees are - I believe that it is a good thing that some industries are suffering from lack of help because it will make them improve wages and conditions. But I agree - it is depressing as all heck to be applying and searching every day and week and come up against all of this. Try to keep thinking positive - that is what I had to do. Eventually something will come along. I am in a company I never thought about working in - outside of my range of experience, but am grateful to be learning new skills and working again. Best of luck

  22. Healthcare worker

    Entry level has nothing to do with the amount of experience anymore it’s just corporate speak for bottom of the rung in pay and status/title in their company. Of course they still expect you to show up with C suite levels of experience they just don’t want to pay for it. The Great Resignation is a result of this. People are fed up and walking away from the corporate hellscape. Good luck and don’t settle for poverty wages.

  23. Anonymous

    You should have read the Business Insider article that told the truth. I told people months ago there is no worker shortage... there are good jobs shortages. The new political dynamic is to NOT hire certain "types" and assume to hire only what the company owner or investors or personalities want. As in... a certain good "look" for advertising, for zoom meetings, a desirable public profile. As a minority (non african american) since BLM I have been deliberately rejected from public face positions (and I am NOT unattractive), racially prejudiced against and told TO MY FACE.. that there are plenty of "back room or factory jobs for me" ..... while less experienced caucasian attractive peers (mostly male) are getting hired for senior positions that I am more than qualified for.
    As Business Insider wrote... there are plenty of BAD jobs that no one wants (waitressing, service worker, assembly line worker, delivery, etc), but very few GOOD jobs especially for experienced senior and educated people who are deliberately shut out if not caucasian, older, not part of the "party scene" of a particular company, not public influencer enough, not a celebrity and not in a nepotism click... and worse... if NOT already financially wealthy enough for the hiring company to benefit (ie: investor network, certain memberships or associations, certain investment pool contacts or even certain country club or other perks that might be shared or gain access to networks.)

    So basically, I am being shown (and told by employed members of my network at those companies who fear retribution if they help me find legal defense) ... i am not white enough, not an African American BLM supporter, not male, not rich enough to have upper investor tier or political influences, not in the right country clubs and not known as a fun party person. I am known for integrity, ethics and extremely accurate knowledge and experience in industry, but no one wants those in the company, just useful as an occasional consultant or someone who can be thrown into the manual labor lines because I can make sure things are done right at that point of service and lead the lower class and non corp climbers there. And if I drop off, well the investors and the upper echelon really do not care as they have plenty of others like me they are keeping out of the "inner circles"... so don't bother helping me with insurance or maintaining my way of life. As in.. out of sight, out of mind and I am not desirable enough. (I also always refused to sleep with or respond to sexual advances by many powerful men at CEO and sr VP or investor levels in my field and that is also known.)

    The politics of the last 5 yrs has influenced many in my industry to feel this behavior is ok... selective front position hiring is desired now for the company images and not for true progression.

    And diversity hiring? Well the % of bias and total minorities or equal rights have NOT been changed, only shifted, so they companies look like they are supporting BLM. So, replace the % of hire with more African Americans until their internal quota is satisfied by adjusting the AI screening bias. Meaning even less positions for me in the "desired" jobs that I have held for over 15 yrs until the pandemic lay offs and hiring freezes.

  24. Diane Frances Lesley-Neuman

    I feel the same as an older female.

  25. Anonymous

    Months? I've been actively looking and interviewing since May. Have gone to final rounds with 8 different positions. Of those 8, 3 have sent respectful and lovely declines and have asked me to re-apply to other positions. 3 have ghosted, 1 sent a generic decline and one was just plain rude. I've decided to start putting in interview reviews in Glassdoor.

  26. BeaBoss645203

    Just wait until you age - if you are still working. There is a huge thing going on with older workers as well - took me 5 long months of actively interviewing each week before I got an offer > I took it of course . There are all kinds of discrimination going on - just not only race. I can just imagine what outwardly disabled people have to go through . Keep positive and hang in there, and try applying someone out of the field you are applying for. I simply did not imagine myself with a Porsche dealership, but it has worked out and I am happy !!

  27. HOLLY RIVERA

    This! I have been actively looking for months and only a couple of interviews in which I was told I was overqualified. I'm 49, still do continuing education and network like crazy. I'm grateful that I'm employed, but really feel stuck and know for certain that I'm underpaid. It's really frustrating.

  28. Anonymous

    I'm sorry to hear you are struggling with your job search. Given what you are experiencing it's completely understandable that you are frustrated and confused about what the heck is actually going on in the job market!

    I'll share from my perspective as a small business employer and based on what I see happening with many other small business clients we work with to share some perspective on what has happened/happening with at least some small businesses:

    In my case, when COVID happened we faced huge losses.
    We got some funding but not most – for second round COVID funding you needed to demonstrate 30% revenue losses in 2020 where my company had 27% losses in 2020 but due to our billing cycle most of the losses hit us in 2021 where we had 60% losses coming into 2021 – but we didn’t qualify for any funding because the losses had to show up in 2020.

    I kept everyone employed despite my business taking big losses – which means that our household personally took the biggest hits – I kept paying everyone else but not myself as the employer.

    While our revenue was down dramatically, we couldn’t have people go on unemployment because there wouldn’t be workers to help rebuild the business/client load. And we wanted to invest in our staff and keep them on board through the challenging time of COVID.

    Our goal was to unite everyone as a team and be supportive at a human level and business level.

    So we kept our 8 staff fully employed – but then when the world started “opening back up” in spring of 2021, and a bunch of companies who had previously laid people off, came back full force in their aggressive recruitment efforts, 5 of our 8 staff all left within 2 months of each other, and all with 2 weeks or less notice. it was a huge blow to my business on many levels (financially, emotionally, operationally). From the human perspective, it was so intense and devastating for me as the employer.

    From a logistical financial position to showcase now what happened:

    My business was already down huge amounts of operational money from the losses we experienced in COVID and lack of PPP funding to help us through a challenging time.
    We kept everyone employed at above market wages.
    Coming into 2020 we had been on pace to improve our benefits package.
    But then, we lost loads of money from COVID.
    Then in 2021 we were hoping to turn things around – and then 5 of our 8 staff left without much notice.
    Then we lost even more substantial revenue because we didn’t have the skill/appropriate trained staff on hand to manage accounts – so we lost a lot of business in 2021 due to our staff leaving – and due to the time it’s taking to try to turn around and re-hire and re-train.

    So now we are trying to hire and rebuild and here’s the reality I’m faced with as an employer:
    • It’s like “starting over,” as a startup business—we need staff to do the work and nurture the leads and opportunities we have – but we don’t have the money in house sitting here to pay people as much as we’d like to pay
    • When I hire people, it takes on average 7-9 months for the business to profit from that staff, because there are high costs of salary, taxes, benefits, etc., because we aim to have a nurturing environment that gives people time to onboard/learn and grow, and we don’t have a full load of clients sitting here ready for that new hire to manage – it’s a chicken and egg scenario– we need the staff so the business can grow – but it takes time for staff to learn and to help the business get to a point of profitability
    • The dilemma is that of the last 5 people we hired, 4 of them left without even staying a full year, so my business lost money by having those staff in place, therefore we weren’t able to turn around and reinvest money in offering raises/better benefits to the next folks that we’d like to hire

    Basically, when people jump ship so fast and without notice, it’s a vicious cycle that actually hurts all employees. It’s a ripple effect.
    There’s a huge cost to employers in hiring/re-training, etc. a huge cost in business that is lost during that time of turnover.
    So now – money that I would rather pay to a new hire, I have lost due to the rapid turnover.
    Tons of revenue is lost because people jumped ship without giving us time to re-fill their position, and for them to help train their replacement so we’d have a smoother transition and be able to maintain keeping our clients on board through a transition.

    While I understand that “2 weeks notice” may be standard, I think it’s important for workers to consider your values, and values alignment with your work place.

    As a workplace, we’ve always had open dialogue and supported staff even if they were ready to transition to something else. We’ve helped past staff leave and get better jobs, go on to start a business, etc. it worked when we had more time to support the transition and refill their position.

    So this last year with COVID – and then a majority of our staff jumping ship so fast (as happened at tons of companies) it’s left so many small businesses crippled with: lack of staff, lack of revenue, losing clients. it’s all happened to fast, with too many people at once, that it’s done more damage to where businesses can’t afford to re-hire people at those same wages that they were before.

    Businesses need workers but small businesses can’t afford to pay more/offer better benefits because workers aren’t staying long enough for the business to even build steam and recoup the money it costs to hire/train that person and to even make money.

    My personal advice:
    • Bring your goals and strategy to an employer – let’s say they can’t pay you what you want now – strategize with them about what your growth can look like.
    • Help your employer see how you are going to help them – the right employer is hungry to invest in it’s workers – but there are a lot of employers like me who just cannot afford to invest in another person who is going to leave in a year and without notice. Be open, transparent, authentic. Bring your needs and desires to the table, but also look through the lens as the employer – what are their needs? When they win you win – so how can you win-win together?
    • Find an employer who values your longevity. Find somewhere you’re willing to stay longer – I predict that people who are willing to STAY on with companies can earn more and move up quicker in management
    • Too many people advocate for jumping ship to advance your career – but because so many people now did that, I believe that swings have swung the other way – and if you are willing to stay – or go take a job where you see yourself staying, as long as you are aligned with your employer on that vision, you have the potential to quantum leap your growth and success so much more

    On a sort of separate note:
    My personal perspective has never been to "get labor as cheap as you can and profit off them as much as you can." Most of the small business clients we work with have the same views as my company - so it's disheartening to see so many responses on this thread/in other posts on this forum that often make comments that employers just care about the bottom line or to make as much money as they can and without concern for staff burnout.
    We've worked with over 300 small businesses, mostly in the US but some in other countries and that's not what I've seen with most of those clients.
    I've witnessed business owners who are constantly striving to find a balance of putting employees needs first while achieving business objectives that are necessary to keep the business afloat.
    Sadly, most business owners I see are earning too little for the stress and risk they are carrying.
    Anyone reading this who has the belief that employers are the enemy or just want cheap labor/don't care about employees, I encourage you to consider seeing through both lenses: as the employer and the employee. Keep having conversations with employers - if you haven't explored working with a small business, you may like to consider that. Often small business employers are more flexible, will be more transparent and honest. So while you may not feel as “secure” in your job as a corporate job, what I’ve found is that you will get honesty in a small business setting. Often the corporate “security” can be a false sense of security anyway.
    Go find a gritty determined small business owner – show you are willing to invest in the work and they will invest in you in return.
    Often in a small business you work directly in the trenches with the owner(s) and you will see and feel firsthand that they do care about you. That they are walking the walk.
    You might find that while you aren’t earning as much as you want out of the gate that you do have potential for growth.
    And you might feel more personal fulfillment knowing that you aren’t working for a corporate cog that is “just profiting off you without regard for your humanity.”

    Wishing everyone the best of luck in finding a satisfying career that aligns your values, priorities and desired path!

  29. Anxhela

    Wow, you pictured a very clear image of what happens on the employer's side. As employees we cannot fully grasp the challenges behind the scenes and I definitely agree with you that educating employees ono how they contribute to the company's goals and success serves as a glue.

  30. Anonymous

    Please.. some of us ALSO have been small business owners in the past AND are seeking current employment due to losses and some of us.. due to political changes in the USA lost even more as we were judged by visual bias over how we are assets all in the same path of trying to successfully make business happen.
    After hundreds to thousands of rejections AND same from some other friends (all female older minorities who were upper level and with tremendous experience).. the bias is extreme. We have heard everything and been ghosted 10x more than responded to. Looked at parallel lateral moves, other fields, offered all sorts of collective transferable skillsets, and most of those in the ghost category. To top it off, been offered many "equity" later roles where the people refused to give notorized letters with actual figures... where we are to do ALL the work (including manual)... and ZERO pay or benefits until we make them a success first where at least 3 or 4 people can first live on their business income for at least 2 yrs from many small businesses.
    So, having had a business and grown up with businesses, and understanding the cost of and hours due to own a business, plus realizing the difficulties of the balancing act of everything from marketing, supply, services, producing, budgeting, taxes, regulations, etc...and having run out of options to begin or expand my own business (zero funds or help).....
    With no one hiring me for over 2.5 yrs and no offers for better positions for over 4 yrs while still being told I am over qualified for high level positions,

    Exactly what options are left?

  31. Joanna Poe

    What you're describing is the reason people are complaining of a labor shortage - most are not willing to increase base rates of pay by a reasonable amount. The shortage is really in jobs that can support people and jobs that we're willing to do. The service industry is particularly hard up because their workers have to put up with such a high level of abuse from customers.

    Since I went to college, the per-credit-hour cost of getting a degree has quadrupled, but salaries have certainly not, except for the highest tier of CEOs and boards. It's patently ridiculous and has little or nothing to do with covid. Salaries in many sectors were stagnant long before the pandemic; in 15 years in one industry, I seldom got a raise, even a COLA, aside from reorganizations or changing jobs.

    Some of the 'great resignation' is actually from people realizing they want nothing more to do with their specific company or industry. Some are reevaluating how they want to live and retiring early; nice if you can manage it, I suppose.

    Don't give up; there are good jobs out there, working for good people, at competitive and fair rates. But maybe consider looking in a new place, in a sector you may think you don't have enough experience in.

  32. Rosa Goes

    I agree with Joanna, they may be leaving the industry. I think when that happens, the company would likely offer you a lower salary unless you have good transferable skills and references within that industry. Talk to a recruiter if you haven't done so already. They will be able to fill you in. Good luck to you!

  33. Anonymous

    I am having the same issues. I have been unemployed for a year and have been sending out multiple applications daily for at least 3 months. I am securing very few interviews and then rarely hearing back. As a nurse who wants little to do with hands on care I’ve even applied to delivery jobs but then it seems like something is “wrong with me” so I can’t even get that job. I’m at a total loss and fear I will have to take a job I hate to get by. This is not where I planned to be at my age but Covid closed my prior employer of 5 years

  34. Anonymous

    I can totally relate to everything in this post and the responses! I am feeling very discouraged about the possibility of finding a job and this is becoming very depressing too. I have been an educator for 27 years and I had a tenured Director position with a school district with a high six figure salary that I had been in for four years. We faced a 2million dollar budget deficit and several hundred people were laid off. I received a pink slip too. I immediately started looking for jobs and landed a new positon with a non profit organization ( I took a $17,000 pay cut). My pink slip was rescinded but because my district was toxic and they projected budget cuts the following year, I accepted the position. Several days after I resigned I was told by the non-profit that the funders pulled out and the business was being shut down and we were all out of jobs! Yes, literally a nightmare. I tried to get my old position back but was told that I couldn't because of the projected layoffs next year. So I found myself out of work. I have been searching for employment since May. I have a Masters Degree, teaching credential, BA and administrative credential and it has been a serious struggle in my job search. I have applied to to many jobs to count. I have had over twenty interviews to date, some second round where they have gone on t check references but I have not been given an offer yet. It is very depressing and scary as I have never in 27 years been without a job. I know that I am a good leader and employee, but this is a serious blow to my confidence, self esteem and the list goes on. I am also in that category of over 50 a woman, and a person of color so I feel like the deck is stacked against me. It does make me feel slightly better to know that I am not the only one experiencing this but this is truly a nightmare. I am considering all options, early retirement which I can not afford to do yet, other career fields and the list goes on., It does not help either to be a single person with only one income. Sorry for the rant, but again it is good to know that I am not alone. Sending positive vibes and good luck to you all. We got this!!

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