So I got written up

So I got written up

not a surprise really as my boss has been riding all over me every single day. I reported the whole leadership team to hr because of some terrible incidents that occurred. So though I’ve done nothing wrong, they are trying to get rid of me. Is it better to quit or be fired?

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  1. Anonymous

    Describe what “terrible things have occurred” and how they made it look like you are responsible for them? Quitting is likely better than getting fired since involuntary separation (fired) will forever be attached to your file if a future employer calls your company’s HR during a background check. Although if you quit, in most states you are not eligible for unemployment benefits.

  2. Anonymous

    There's a lot missing from your post but if you want to make a case for retaliation so you can collect unemployment, I would not quit.

  3. Karen Patwa

    There isn't enough information here, but if you want to take action beyond HR, and whatever horrible things happened included retaliation, other illegal practices, or violations of work regulations, you have more power if you stay.If you simply quit, you've given them what they want, and certainly will leave with nothing.
    Does your complaint process involve steps beyond HR? Even if not, you still might have options. I'd recommend you see a good employment attorney or external HR advisor (not HR at your company) asap who can break things down legally for you so you know your rights and your options before you make any major decisions. If you get fired, you might also potentially have a case against your employer, depending on what's actually happened to you. Employers may not fire an employee who has experienced retaliation or other violations because it puts them in jeopardy.

  4. Anonymous

    Without more information really hard to provide a pov. From the snapshot, start looking now if you're thinking of leaving on your own as the market is tight right now in many areas

  5. Elizabeth

    Quit if you have another job lined up.

  6. Anonymous

    There's a lot of key info and timeline missing here. What was HR's response to your report? Was the write-up warranted? In other words, did you violate a company policy? Making a report to HR does not make a person immune to discipline. To answer your question, it's better to be let go, as you typically cannot collect unemployment for resigning.

  7. Anonymous

    I agree with anon. If you quit, you can't get unemployment. You say you were written up, but don't say what for except you did nothing wrong. I am not saying you did, but they see it that way. And if you are fired for cause, you also will not be able to get unemployment. This is my philosophy on Human Resources - they may as well be called useless resources. I'm sorry if I offend anyone in this industry but its true in cases like yours. Unless you are being discrimnated for your race, sexual harassment, or quid pro quo, complaints to HR unless they are abesolutely warrented is opening a huge can of worms. Once you start the fire, you can't put it out, especially if the members of your team are more senior than you. If you are unhappy, then quit, but don't until you have anther job lined up. I'd leave it alone for now, and if they let you go or suspect they will, start searching immediately.

  8. Annie

    I think it really depends on you and what’s important to you in this situation. If you think you’d like to file a case and collect unemployment, then stay until they terminate you.

    If you’re in a place where that’s not necessary and you’d rather just walk away, then do that. I don’t think there’s any right or wrong, just do what feels best for you. You have to look out for you. Jobs come and go.

  9. Anonymous

    start looking ; this is a case o oil and water and you won't win. management doesn't care; otherwise, they would boot the leadership team you reported. I've seen this happen. you can quit but won't get unemployment. they can terminate you without cause and "maybe" you can collect unemployment. Can you ride under the radar and actively seek work elsewhere? Good luck . not an easy situation.

  10. Mary Pool

    HR protects the company, that is their job. The company has more invested in the leadership team then they do in an individual employee. You left a lot out. If you didn't try to resolve this issue within the group prior to reporting to HR, then the group will no longer trust you. Without trust, there is no future. Firing is preferable to quitting as you will then be able to collect unemployment. Use you time wisely, job hunting is now your number one priority.

  11. Anonymous

    I don’t think you get unemployment if you get fired or quit. I thought it was only if you get laid off.

  12. Anonymous

    Correct. You are typically only eligible for unemployment if you’re laid off or let go through no fault of your own. If you get fired, you could try and file and hope they either don’t contest it or don’t have the documentation to support firing you.

  13. Ashley Smith

    What do you consider “a real job”?

  14. Linda Quarshie

    Look, there are all sorts of things being said here, I think you should look for a new job there are lots of jobs out there, yes you reported the team and yea you are being sidelined which is retaliation. Obviously you knew the consequences, most companies claim they don’t retaliate but we are all human. If you are willing to stick it out and fight then stay, if you need your mental health leave before you get fired because that is also not all that great if a new company calls to verify employment and you were fired.

    you know the details and you know yourself best. Do what is good for you.

  15. Brenda Crawshaw

    Definitely start looking for a new position and in the meantime, document, document, document. It's a total PITA but if they are indeed retaliating (and it sure sounds like they are!) your having plenty of proof can both save you from their trying to action against you OR your having the opportunity to action against them.

    Good luck and keep us posted!

  16. Anonymous

    I am curious about what is considered a real job, too.

    I work for the government-- senior level administrator -- and a write-up, better known as a 'counseling memo' which leads to an 'improvement plan' is definitely part of what we have to do to fulfill civil service rules and regulations. Isn't my choice-- I would much rather be given autonomy on how to best deal with employee issues. "Baby stuff?" A rather condescending comment.

  17. Anonymous

    It depends upon whether or not you think you’ll get severance (or care about severance). Many of my friends haven’t been given a severance lately. You can take this time to be paid to look for another job, as it’s easier to find a job when you have one. Or quit. A lot of it depends upon whether you can mentally tolerate their shenanigans.

  18. Anonymous

    I didn’t think it would be possible for my new boss of 7 months to fire me after 4 hard worked years, but the day I returned from having Covid, she put me on a PIP and her last day on the job she fired me. I hope there is karma. I contacted my old boss and the director and VP and no one would do a thing. I had just had cancer and was still a top performer out of all the teams not just mine. It is a shitty feeling to get fired— it was my first and I loved my job. I would say whatever way you can collect unemployment if you might need it.

  19. Anonymous

    you sealed your own fate when you went to hr. hr exists to defend the company, not help employees. justified or not they are now building a case against you. yes, you should find another job. (I reported my new boss for straight up threatening me in her office to sink my review for no reason other than being hired by the previous person, and laughing about what I could do about it.) document everything in the event you need it to get severance but yes, you sunk this boat and need a new job. next time if you need to work, stay in your lane and keep walking. corruption exists everywhere.

  20. Anonymous

    Depends on what you were reporting and was it based on any protected characteristics (age discrimination, sex discrimination, etc.)

    if it was, get an employment attorney because what you’re facing now is retaliation, which is also illegal. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that HR is useless- they’ll never help you. Their loyalty is to the company. At this point, if you can show that your complaint was based on any protected characteristics or class, best thing to do is stay put, while you get an attorney. You’re not entitled to anything if you quit, in that case.

    If not based on any protected characteristic, then you likely have no legal recourse so it would make sense to get out because rest assured - they’re looking for a way to get you out (with HR’s full support).

  21. Jessica Card

    Hi! Before making any decisions, I suggest you consult with an employment lawyer. There's a person on TikTok who shares valuable information in this field, and she could be a great resource to begin with for advice. https://www.tiktok.com/@lawyerpaige?_t=8e0jPxhuiPT&_r=1

  22. Kristen Steiner

    This is real, this process is part of many people's jobs and careers. I would suggest that you open your mind to realness beyond "Engineering."

  23. Jennifer Taylor

    Get your resume in order and start applying. If you do get fired, you can claim unemployment. If you quit, you’re not eligible. If you live in an at-will state, you be fired for no reason, so consulting an employment attorney is a waste of time unless you have proof that you’ve done nothing wrong and your management is pushing you out.

  24. Anonymous

    They plan to get rid of you. Nothing you can do. They want you to quit tho and probably intend to make your life heck at work. .

    I know this seems counter productive but stay positive at work. Keep your head down and do your job. Document everything.

    Look for a new job in the interim. But if you quit you can’t usually get unemployment. If you wait to get fired (depending on your state) you can collect unemployment after a “waiting” period.

    if you collect unemployment - it raises their rates. So they’d rather have you quit. Be prepared for a bumpy road.

  25. Anonymous

    It’s best to get a lawyer-

  26. angelkitten

    They want you out. I’ve been there at a previous job… started getting written up for every little thing so they could fire me. They tried to make my life living hell too so I’d just leave. I would definitely try to line something else up & get out. It’s not fun working under those circumstances.

  27. Anonymous

    You sound very immature as well as uniformed. I will assume you don't have much experience in the professional work world. All companies and organizations have formalized processes to document issues with employees. They can use the documented information to guide improvement in employee performance and/or protect the organization should they choose to terminate the employee. This has been standard in professional companies and organizations for quite literally decades. But maybe you have confused this professional advice board with a more casual social media platform. Perhaps your 'baby stuff' comments would be better posted on twitter?

  28. Anonymous

    Retaliation is against the law!

  29. Anonymous

    Yes it is, but going through the long process of lawyering up, EEOC interviews, etc.-it's a long fight. I just went through it and was willing to because what was done to me was so egregious. It fueled me, but it's not for the faint of heart. Thank you for reminding the forum that is indeed illegal!

  30. Linda

    document document document - they will lie!

  31. Cecile Marie Giroux

    Know in your heart you did the right thing. Take care of yourself. Dust off the resume and believe a better position awaits you elsewhere. If you get lucky (and I wish this for you) you will find a just working environment, where kindness leads-and your professional assets are valued! Good luck!

  32. Anonymous

    Please speak with an employment attorney. The majority will do a free consultation. You need to know your rights and options.

  33. Anonymous

    I don't understand why others are suggesting this person speak with an attorney, we definitely have not been given enough information to determine that the company is doing anything wrong. If the employee has been written up they are tee'ing up the ball to let her go, she needs to be prepared for that, but honestly, I don't see anything that is a legal issue, unless they're discriminating due to some protected status, which, again, we haven't been given enough information to determine.

  34. Anonymous

    Do you understand that retaliation is illegal?

  35. Anonymous

    You don’t have enough info to label this as retaliation.

  36. Anonymous

    You don't have enough information to say that it's not.

  37. Anonymous

    Of course, but I don't see retaliation in what the OP has told us. I mean, I've only got 30 years of HR experience, so I don't claim to know everything... but she hasn't given us enough info to infer retaliation or any wrong doing on either her part or the company's.

  38. Anonymous

    The point is that she needs to understand her rights. Surely with 30 years experience, you can understand that much.

  39. Melissa Hachey

    Sounds like they are pushing you out. I’d find another job and get out. Your post just goes to show up that HR is there for the company and not the employees.

    From what other employees are saying the process of lawyering up is long, but I’d at least consult with one to see what they think. It will at least give you peace of mind for you. Toxic employers tend to gaslight to cover what they’re doing.

  40. G Michele

    Find another job, then quit. Make this a priority for yourself.

  41. Marcia Smith

    The most important thing here is your mental and emotional health. What does your heart tell you? Every situation is different and you do have options...but only you really know what is best for you. I strongly recommend seeing a therapist..doing meditation and mindfulness exercises..and taking time to just be quiet and sit with your thoughts. All of us here will support you! Stay and fight...let them fire you...quit..see a lawyer...and there may even be more options.

  42. Anonymous

    Make them fire you so you can collect unemployment. If they try to deny you saying that you were fired for cause, you may have to get an atty, but it sounds like they want you out, so they likely will just let you go. Jobs are hard to find right now, so get at least some unemployment $ coming in to help keep you afloat til you land something else. Good luck!

  43. Anonymous

    Dig in and get ready for things to get really bad. Eventually they will do something so bad that you will be able to walk away with some money. No need to get a lawyer at this point. Let them fire you, file for unemployment and if the company fights it, show up for the hearing. 95% of those that show for a hearing get unemployment EVEN if terminated for cause!

  44. Cathy Scott

    It’s very emotional to hire a lawyer and go through the grief. A close family member went through this and it was sad. The source of the grief ( Manager) turned out to be a charming narcissist. The worst backstabbing type of narcissism. The family member did indeed win the settlement but it was a risk. Find yourself a better job, quit, negotiate a small vacation and run!

  45. Anonymous

    I'm laughing a bit because you "reported the whole leadership team to HR". Not to be mean, but you do understand that HR is there to protect the company, right? Clearly there's a misconnect somewhere, either you don't understand what you're doing wrong, or there's a personality conflict. Depending on your position and industry if they fire you they may offer you a severance package, but it sounds like you should start looking for another job ASAP as clearly your time with them is coming to an end. I would also suggest that you do some soul searching, because change is going to be necessary in order for you to succeed at another job.

  46. Anonymous

    So there are situations in which reporting to HR can be useful, but as you rightly suggest, it will rarely if ever get you the outcome of helping one's own situation magically get better or resolved. I as a Director, reported a VP in my vertical to HR for unfairly targeting one my team members, and I went with loads of receipts, which VP had no idea I'd kept (document everything, people!). The behavior was egregious enough that it bought time for that employee to find a new job, and did the same for me. HR reprimanded the VP so that they had to leave me completely alone too, basically tanked any growth or movement for me at that company, but thats ok it was long enough to find my next position. But I'd say that's one of the rare situations when it "works."

    So yes OP start looking for a new job asap.

  47. Anonymous

    If the whole leadership team is breaking federal or state law then not reporting them to HR when you become aware would make you complicit and potentially culpable when they finally get caught. Maybe don't automatically assume the OP is incompetent when you don't know the specifics of the situation.

  48. Anonymous

    Since you don't really disclose what you are being written up about perhaps think for a moment about documentation that you have to support that you have done nothing wrong. Most companies can terminate you at-will unless you are on a set contract that requires them some other type of documentation to let you go. I would suggest you seek out a 3rd party attorney or if the situation falls under EEOC standards contact the DOL in your area. File a formal complaint if it is valid. Though, if its really that bad all around why would you choose to stay? Quitting is when you cannot take it any more and being fired means they no longer want you there and it may affect your ability to get new work if they reference that company.

  49. Anonymous

    Always get fired. Otherwise you can't get unemployment or have recourse. Definitely start looking, it can take a while to find something. If they try and push you out before you have something else, DO NOT QUIT.

  50. Anonymous

    The whole "make them fire you" thing is nuanced. I would suggest you do everything in your power to find another job ASAP. If you get a new job, quit. Getting fired is not a good outcome. Is it marginally better than quitting with nothing else lined up? Likely, yes. At least financially. But sitting there and not doing your best to find another job when it's clear this one is not going to work out is not a wise move.

  51. Rebecca Milliken

    Quitting before they fire you is better for you. I don't care about collecting unemployment or whatever. I'm thinking about your mental and emotional health. Believe me, I've been through the same thing. I could have kept going and dealing with a toxic environment and all the stress and hits to my confidence, etc. But is the possibility of getting unemployment pay worth that?

    Look for another job now and quit as soon as you can. If you get fired before that, so be it. But I wouldn't just wait to get fired or have battle of wills with your employer. Is it worth it? For YOU. I'm not talking if it's better financially or whatever, I'm talking about yourself--your own well-being.

  52. Tasha Campbell

    Move on to another job then put in 2 weeks notice. Then quit

  53. Liz Milne

    Quit as soon as you can find another job, would be my advice.

  54. Anonymous

    Contact the HR business partner that you reported them to and ask for a separation package. Be sure to include the toll it is taken on you emotionally, mentally, and physically. Also, be sure and negotiate an extension of insurance benefits if only for a few months and request that they do not deny your unemployment benefits.

  55. BN

    Ask HR if they are aware of your complaints because this feels like you are being retaliated against based on you alerting HR to serious issue.

    Since you didn't specify on the seriousness of your complaint, if it falls under the whistleblower act, be sure to report the writeup.

  56. Brandon Moskos

    QUIT ASAP. But, quit the professional way.

  57. Anonymous

    Can you negotiate to be let go without cause in order to qualify for unemployment?

    If you can handle it emotionally, stick it out while you look for a different job.

    I was a whistleblower in my previous job, and they forced me out through exaggerated or false accusations, and claiming they "worked with me" but I didn't meet their standards. I had a contract that required them to give me severance, so I had time and money for healing. It took them years to put their case together, and I was to the point of making suicide plans several times during those years. If I could have escaped to a different job, I certainly would have!

  58. Cassenda Nelson

    Get fired don't sigh the write ups

  59. Molly F

    That depends entirely on your personal situation. Can you afford to quit & not receive unemployment? Either way you'll be out of a job. But if you wait for them to fire you, you may get unemployment which will help tide you over until you find another position. I personally would not quit but would actively seek a new job. Hopefully finding one before they fired me.

  60. Anonymous

    Quitting a job does not automatically disqualify you from unemployment. If you can show that your work environment was toxic and not good for your health, you will qualify.

  61. Vanda Lee

    I've been in a similar situation after reporting to HR. Was then put on a PIP. I went to HR and requested a severance package and in that discussion and with advice from a labor attorney used keywords in the conversation - toxic work environment subtly referenced my age (over 50), retaliation etc... The attorney explained that using this lingo would flag HR of possible legal action against the organization and they were more likely to give me severance - it worked. Good luck.

  62. Anonymous

    I'm HR and you are absolutely right. Leadership does not like these words and I am the first one to advise them to pony up.

  63. Anonymous

    I am also in the same situation. My director has been treatening me with firing for some time now. When we had performance reviews, I was scored as Marginal once in the 7 years I've been there. I have written myself up, told to write my PIP, that my director would train me (I've worked in the administrative for over 40 years supporting C-Suite level executives,) that my director wants more for me than I want for myself, asked why I cannot stay consistent in my support (juggling my director is like trying to hit a tennis ball with a baseball glove,) and that my director does not want to work with anyone else (huh!), I make the him and the department look bad when reports are not submitted on time." We agreed reporting would be my responsibility ("once I learned the culture") and the reports would be reviewed and approved by her/him, but s/he also needs to read the draft once sent, however, I have to print the report, create a file folder, place it on their desk, forward the draft via email and then send a text indicating it is ready for review. After doing all this, the reports were still not reviewed, so I began submitting the reports on time and forwarding all the other at the same time, but I am still the reason the reports are late. My contact with HR throughout my tenure has been met with, "well, we know how s/he is," "do what you can and when you need to vent, just call, I understand," "we've all worked with her/him and they are a bit special," "don't worry we got your back." While many of the directors in our organization worked up through the ranks, none were trained on how to manage people and when I asked HR what type of training was provided for directors (not trying to single out my director), I was told "none really, but if I came across some that I feel would be helpful, let them (HR) know." Really, not only am I to play catch, run passes and shoot nothing but net, I also need to look for training for the directors, mine in particular! Of course I did not take that challange on, nor did I write my PIP and each write up started with, 'I have been directed to write the following per a conversation with (my director), and was instructed to write what was dictated to me by (my director.' Since I was writting it, I took creative license to add my portion of the conversation and the steps I took to recitify the issue. I like what Vanda said and think that is the way to go, although we as employees are constantly reminded if we are fired there is no unemployment, this is a non-profit organization that does not take state funding, therefore not required to pay into unemployment.

  64. Ames Faye

    I would suggest not quitting. I was in your shoes in Dec and did quit and kind of wish I'd waited to be fired. But I've never been fired in my 30 years of working so I was hung up on that. It would've been easier to get a lawyer for my case if they'd fired me instead of my quitting because they make more money if it's wrongful termination than they do on constructive discharge cases.

    I would suggest filing a retaliation complaint with the EEOC or other relevant agency (OSHA/Labor board/whatever covers any laws around the "terrible incidents") now.

    Also, document every incident that seems like it's retaliatory and start sending yourself copies of everything to a personal account.

  65. Anonymous

    I would suggest you not to quit. You won't be fired. This happens just to make you weak and fail to perform, then you be summoned on 'failure to perform' analogy

  66. Anonymous

    When it comes to HR, don't go there to complain about anyone (or everyone) until you have a solid backup plan. Either you have a job lined up first and can quit immediately, or just wait until you are financially or emotionally ready to quit.

    HR is notoriously not on the employee's side. Even if the complain is legit, they would only do things that benefit the company and not you. I have heard so many stories from my colleague that HR reported their supposed private conversation to the people they complained about.

    Almost no one got a good ending from reporting to HR from a career perspective. Once you file a report, you are deemed a "troublemaker," and would be quite difficult to advance within the company.

    Again, only go that route when you have a backup plan. Right now, you should actively look for a job (if you aren't financially ready to quit) and look for people who can give your recommendation. Don't wait and be a sitting duck. Also, plan on the worst and see how to stay afloat financially and mentally.

  67. Marcia Smith

    I totally agree - HR is there to protect the company, regardless of how much they SAY they are there to help employees. Don't share your problems with anyone in the company unless you can quit immediately...always have a back-up plan!

  68. asmith13

    All of us HR folks aren't like this and the ones who are truly doing their job are there to balance the rights of the employee with the needs of the business. A lot of the time that ends up being something that is more employee-leaning as it will be less likely to get the company sued. Just my two cents.

    I always take any concerns seriously and investigate objectively and thoroughly. I would advise utilizing any hotlines your company might offer where you can report ethical concerns to a third party. Most larger companies have these and it at least puts the spotlight on the situation from a corporate perspective rather than just having the one HR person know about it.

  69. Anonymous

    Nope. Don't believe this for a second. Generally when there's any kind of abuse in the workplace, if you go to HR, they will report it to the person you're complaining about. This gives management time to cover their tracks before you inevitably need to go to the labour board or a lawyer.

    Especially in a toxic work environment, any HR member who doesn't take the side of the employer will also be fired.

  70. asmith13

    Sounds like you have had some crappy HR folks or employers. This should not be how it works.

  71. Anonymous

    Agreed.

  72. Anonymous

    Wow.. ya'll are really painting with a broad brush. It is natural and helpful to use your experiences to inform future reactions, however, you might find more happiness in life if you take more time to consider different circumstances. This logic is akin to "I've had several bad boyfriends and hear stories of other bad boyfriends so any story I hear about good boyfriends must not be true." You just might be missing out on some really lovely expriences.. I completely believe every negative experience reflected in these comments is valid, but it's just wild to me because as someone who works and makes connections in HR, probably 90% of the HR connections I have talk constantly about how we can make workplaces better for the employees.

    also, you often don't know about the arguments HR get into with execs trying to get them to do the right things. Hr is basically advisors, they don't have real decision power, but are usually the ones communicating the decisions.

  73. Anonymous

    You, my friend, are a rarity. I was blessed to find someone like you at my last job. A gem.

    Most of my interactions with HR have been through layoffs or some extremely out of control behavior they couldn't control. In some cases, it was management being outrageous. I once followed a company procedure to report an ethics violation and was almost fired. The culture was really toxic. A small company being acquired by a larger one. The training was from corporate. After this shuffling me off to a different division, someone in my old group reported I'd been harrasssed. His wife had been hit on my an exec at a company Xmas party so he had an ax to grind. I got the call asking if I believed the claim. I said yes. The VP said thanks, hung up and I never heard another word about it.

  74. Anonymous

    I had an HR person like yourself help me when my director mismanaged thier budget and was looking at letting me go just 6 months shy of a big retirement benefit vesting. I suspected HR may have been fearful of a lawsuit based on the way my Director handled things coupled with the very large value of the benefit. I spoke with a lawyer at the time, before things were settled, who suggested I could have had a successful lawsuit. Be that as it may, I am hugely thankful to HR for facilitating a solution that got me past that benefit deadline and spared us all the time and money spent in a lawsuit.

  75. Anonymous

    Sadly, this anonymous poster is 100% correct. No HR department is there for the employee. HR exists to protect the company from the employee who makes a claim (whether true or false). To go to HR is to sink your career at that company. Especially if you are going to them with anything that C Suite is doing that is questionable or even outright illegal. HR will protect the executives and let the whistleblower go. Clearly corporate America hasn't learned a thing from Enron or even OceanGate (they fired an engineer who blew the whistle on how unsafe the Titan submersible was a few years ago). You need to protect yourself and get out while you can.

  76. Anonymous

    I totally agree with you on this, I was in a similar situation at a company and was totally dismissed, by management and HR, Sometimes I wonder why even bother with HR on some things.

  77. Tiana Mumford

    Good day I would exit before getting fired but access your situation! Blessings

  78. Anonymous

    I would suggest starting to look for jobs and line up interviews. There are pros to getting laid off as you will get severance (or at least you should). But it's typically only covers about 2 weeks. If they don't move forward with that approach and you find a great job in the meantime, you will then be able to quit comfortably. However, guage your mental wellness through this process. I am a very conservative person and like to put myself in the best possible position to ensure an income, however, if it's tolling on your mental health by staying there in the meantime then you need to take that into account in your consideration process.

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