Salary Negotiation assistance is needed.

25 Comments

1. AnonymousAugust 5,2024 at 9:26PM UTC

   You need to relax. Are you just responding just to be negative (rhetorical question). It was an honest question, that didn't warrant this kind of response.

2. AnonymousAugust 5,2024 at 9:26PM UTC

   Thank you for the motivation!

3. AnonymousAugust 5,2024 at 9:37PM UTC

   I'm not directly involved in compensation nor do I want to be. That said, what I've been learning over the last year or more is that our comp person has access to her own set of special data and no amount of research done by a candidate or internal employee will sway her from her data from wherever she gets it. Not all companies are that way...but when you have people like her behind the wheel of compensation, you're running up against a wall unless the company is desperate.

4. AnonymousAugust 5,2024 at 9:43PM UTC

   Quite often, the hiring manager is kept out of the actual salary discussion and negotiations.

5. AnonymousAugust 6,2024 at 12:49PM UTC

   You can certainly come with data that it is below market, but part of the point of listing the salary in the job description (which is great!) is to ensure only candidates for whom that range is acceptable apply.

6. maria roseAugust 6,2024 at 2:03PM UTC

   You, the applicant, are the one who decides whether that job offer including the salary is acceptable. If you feel that the salary is not acceptable, how hard is it to just say no to the offer and walk away. Remember you don’t set the terms of the potential employment, the employer gives you an offer. Why stress yourself about something you have no control over.

7. Lisa MarieAugust 6,2024 at 2:55PM UTC

   First: you stated that you are not at the level - career-wise. *What does that say about your qualifications for the role?*

   Second: The salary range in the job offer is what the company has *budgeted to pay* for the role. That is what is done for every role in every department in the company. *Companies do not have unlimited dollars*

   Third: If the range is not what you need or desire, why did you waste the time of the recruiter (and I'm sure you confirmed with the recruiter that the range was acceptable when they reiterated it to you - that is *the only reason* the recruiter reiterated the range), the hiring manager(s), and even your time, going through the entire process so far? *If you were not comfortable with the range, why did you apply?*

   Fourth: Just because you see higher market range, why is there a need to * pick a fight* with a company that is *only considering employing you?*

   Why must we put ourselves in situations that clearly do not fit our parameters, but we go in determined to *fight to get our way?*

   Not everything needs to be a battle.

   Unless you are literally the next best thing since sliced bread, and literally the last person in the world with your skills and abilities, and you are literally needed to prevent an apocalypse, they are not likely to offer more than has been budgeted for the role.

   You cannot, and should not try to force this company to offer you more than what they advertised in their job posting from the get go. *If you do that, they will not view you in a good light*

   It is best to spend your time and efforts pursing jobs that matches your salary expectations.

8. Sue Gordon- retired Career CoachAugust 6,2024 at 6:27PM UTC

   They've been clear- if the salary is a non-starter, let them know. "Based on my research and my personal salary history, your salary is below my expectations. Is there any flexibliity?" If the answer is "no", then you move on to the next opportunity. Unless....there is something amazing about this job that balances salary.

9. AnonymousAugust 6,2024 at 10:14PM UTC

   It’s always okay to apply for jobs of interest with hope they will pay more. I did and negotiated higher than the pay band. And it’s possible to negotiate a higher salary. However, it sounds like the recruiter (not sure if they are 3rd party) but sounds like there’s no flexibility. Another poster said a great thing. What are the benefits? What can’t you get at another company. Lots to weigh. Reminder to look at the position as a stepping stone. Only you can make the decision is the juice with the squeeze?

10. AnonymousAugust 6,2024 at 10:16PM UTC

    Amen!

11. AnonymousAugust 6,2024 at 10:17PM UTC

    Yes! I told ya’ll they are here. Thank you Godboss women, unite against the meanies!

12. AnonymousAugust 6,2024 at 10:23PM UTC

    Actually as a former recruiter I negotiated, hired and closed. However, there’s a budget but there’s always room to wiggle. Especially if it’s a purple squirrel candidate. Companies have $$. If they can’t wiggle I’d be asking for what their track record is of increases in the future. And look at benefits. Honestly with this market it may be a safer bet to get as close as you can to meet your needs.

13. Jeslyn PattersonAugust 7,2024 at 2:42AM UTC

    Keep in mind, it’s an automatic NO if you don’t ask. A lot of the comments are going to keep people stagnant. Go for it!

14. AnonymousAugust 7,2024 at 2:49AM UTC

    OP here…I didn’t provide a lot of context for a reason. No matter how much we try to remain anonymous, a post can sound so similar to someone we know, and I didn’t want to jeopardize my chances. Thank you to everyone who defended my post and said there’s nothing wrong with negotiating. I needed that motivation. I stopped using this platform a year ago because there’s so many nasty comments, they’re disgusting. This platform use to feel like a community.

15. AnonymousAugust 8,2024 at 12:35PM UTC

    I agree with you and there is always corporate spy’s or frenemy managers as well who get intimidated if they feel someone’s better than them; but u would get data you researched and if there’s another interview or even if you call the recruiter to discuss the difference in pay. I would ask also about bonuses and the like that could be the difference in pay, or location will always plan a huge role in salary as well. I would be open to what they say if you really want this job and work for this company as well. I will tell you that a lot of companies are just not paying well now with the economy and they will hold on for someone willing to take a lower salary as they say in the higher ups there will always be someone just hungry enough to take any offer at all, sadly it’s true!!!

16. AnonymousAugust 7,2024 at 7:44AM UTC

    I would certainly ask the question as to why there is a discrepancy in what they advertise to what is actually offered. If you don't get the role you should report them.UK companies can't do this by LAW

17. AnonymousAugust 7,2024 at 1:34PM UTC

    From what I read in the original post, there is not a discrepancy between what was advertised and what was offered. There is a discrepancy between this and OP's research.

18. AnonymousAugust 7,2024 at 5:38PM UTC

    There's no discrepancy with the post, only that the job is paying lower than the job market and I know this because it's my current industry.

19. AnonymousAugust 7,2024 at 3:54PM UTC

    Have you been offered the role? If you have you could bring market data to the conversation and ask for how they reward high performers and how often - IE- bonuses and stock.

    Often there is a lower salary base for what is called a dual track manager role vs and IC role where your technical and hands-on skills matter more. You don't share what kind of position it is but in Software roles for example the managers can make less than their direct reports.
    If you are in the interview process only and it is a hot company where they likely have many qualified candidates for the position you might just have to live within the confines of what they are willing to pay and how they have valued the role. You could tell the recruiter the expectations you have but you might be eliminated for needing more than their budgets allow . IMHO the best solution is decide if its a blocker for you and if it is, walk away and let them know why.

20. Joan Williams, Senior Talent Acquisition SpecialistAugust 8,2024 at 3:36AM UTC

    So it sounds like the recruiter has been transparent and up front with you about the salary range they are offering for the position they're looking to fill. It sound like it's also clearly laid out in the job description.

    If that salary range does not work for you, why have you moved forward in the interview process?

    While it's nice that you did research on what other companies may be paying for a similar role, that really doesn't matter. What matters is the salary range for that position in that company.

    Companies have every right to set their compensation salary bands where ever they see fit, for whatever works for their budget.

    I'm not sure there is room to negotiate here - if that were me, and I had room to negotiate the salary higher, we would have already had that conversation.

    I recommend you have this conversation with the recruiter sooner rather than later. If their salary range doesn't work for you, don't waste your own time, don't waste the recruiters time and let them start interviewing someone who can work within that salary band if there's no negotiation room.

21. AnonymousAugust 8,2024 at 12:26PM UTC

    This is what I was going to say. If everyone/everything has been transparent throughout the process, and you went through the interview process knowing this was the salary range, and you were OK with this range, then the company has assumed that your salary expectation is within the posted range. You can always try to negotiate but, in all honesty, if I went through the entire interview process under the assumption that the candidate's expectation was within our range, then at the last minute, they started pushing for more, and it was outside of my budget, I would rescind the offer because I feel that person would be resentful if they took the job and were unhappy with the pay from day 1. JMHO.

22. AnonymousAugust 8,2024 at 3:12PM UTC

    I agree.

    However, from reading this question I get the feeling the applicant is a younger person who grew up in the “entitled age” where people expect more than what is being offered. They clearly told you the salary. Take it or leave it.

23. AnonymousAugust 8,2024 at 12:38PM UTC

    You’d be surprised how many corporate vultures are on here just attacking people instilling fear of you better take what they offer I’d lose the job mentality. I always stick up for my sisters and will always tell them to stick it out because experience, education and your success does mean something never sell yourself short ever!!

24. AnonymousAugust 8,2024 at 8:05PM UTC

    Large companies have salary bands when the positon was created it was created to use a specific band. There is little flexibility within the band in terms of what they can offer you. if it’s a reputable global corporation, you should trust them, It will never go wrong, you only have to decide the job you’re applying for is the right level, if it is go what the band no need to negotiate. Companies require significant negotiations are unstable and the established small companies or startups private equity back firms, without established a comprehensive global position guidelines, they will try to lowball you. There is no trust and you have to negotiate. This is never an issue with multi billion global players. You should totally trust their salary band no need to negotiate.

25. AnonymousSeptember 2,2024 at 2:22AM UTC

    OP here with an update. I was offered the position about a week ago and negotiated the salary and they met me with what I was currently making, which was about $5,000 above the max of the salary range!