Has anyone else noticed a trend of extremely toxic female managers?

Has anyone else noticed a trend of extremely toxic female managers? I’ve been set up for failure by these vultures twice in four years. On my last job I was given an account list, then it changed, then it changed again. It was difficult to manage. Then my boss told me I was getting behind and that she would fire me if things didn’t improve. She also said she couldn’t get ahold of me on my company cell phone. That phone never rang, and come to find out it was because she had my business cards made up with the wrong number on them. I worked 150 hours in two weeks doing damage control and got completely caught up. Then she fired me because what I had accomplished wasn’t possible and she felt I had had help.

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  1. Anonymous

    So in my last role, prior to where I am now (and have been for almost 2 years), my manager was a woman. Not the first time I worked for a woman and it won't be the last, I'm sure. But this one,...we were oil and water. It was just such an...awkward?...situation. Within the first 4-6 months of working there, I realized that she and I were not on and would never been on the same page. It was her first time in that role and my role was new to the organization and she had ideas about how I should do my job and I didn't agree with how she did things. Long story short, we mutually agreed to part ways and she quickly hired her BFF to replacement me at 2-3x my salary.

  2. Anonymous

    So, I just got laid off from a role. In that role the manager was toxically nice and incompetent but delegated her work to a peer who was mega-toxic and generally horrible. She would belittle people, make unreasonable demands, and then trash talk everyone to the actual manager. It was horrible. She managed to get one of my friends fired and I got laid off in the most recent reduction in force. But guess who is still there? Yup, the incompetent female manager and her bestie henchperson. The whole thing felt very immature and I hate it when women can't support each other. But, it is what it is.

  3. Kimberly Bailey

    That’s EXACTLY what happened!

  4. Anonymous

    I had two women managers. One of them openly disliked women and said they have to take off for pregnancy and when kids get sick and openly favored the men. My 2nd manager was too busy with her own household issues she had a special needs kid so basically she didn't want to deal with any issues at work and left everything to the leads. So when I tried to raise some concerns I had with my lead she didn't want to listen instead said you need to learn to deal with different people.

  5. Anonymous

    I am a woman in a management field and sometimes it stinks.

    I had people totally dreading me taking the reigns and since they have told me that I have changed the whole atmosphere of our department in a good way.

    I try to be as fair as possible. As long as we work together, the job is done to quality standards, and we are safe, do the picks your way. I have never denied a PTO shift even if it put us in a bad spot. I know things happen. There are a million things that could happen on any given morning to cause someone to be late. I don't dwell on those unless it becomes a habit and obvious you are taking advantage of my kindness.

    If someone on my team is complimented by a coworker, I make sure to include it in our team meetings and I also send the compliment up my chain of command to let them know as well. I am a silent contributor. I am here when they need me and I take care of issues that arise, but I will not micromanage unless things are not getting done.

    I am sorry you worked for someone who was obviously intimidated by your work.

  6. Anonymous

    Sadly you’re probably the exception not the rule. Please keep this same energy and you will continue in the right path in leadership. I’m sure your staff is happy to have you!

  7. Anonymous

    I am a woman and I avoid reporting to a woman at all costs (I hope I can keep it that way!). I hope I wasn't the kind of leader I hate but I think I was so now I'm an individual contributor by choice. We really need to be better but I can't figure out how. I'm going to read all the comments.

  8. Tami L Cannizzaro

    My lengthy experience tells me this is not a recent trend, rather something I've seen throughout my career. Maybe they are threatened by someone who they see as competition? Who knows.

    I really dislike that we can't all support one another.

    Based on my experience, women seem to be either Great at leading or pretty bad. There's not much in between like there is with men. (there could be, I just haven't encountered it) I've had female bosses who were excellent, and I would work for them again in a heartbeat. At the other end of the spectrum, I've worked for female bosses who were really bad: passive-aggressive, back-stabbing, lacking communication skills, unsure of not only their job but ours, unable to manage the team, etc. Most of the men I've worked for were good, with 1 or 2 exceptions. At least there was no drama.

    I'm a no-drama kinda person - pleasant, not demeaning, we are all here to do our jobs and let's work together to make it happen. This business style tends to work fine with men, yet some of the women bosses somehow found it offensive. Go figure.

  9. Anonymous

    I agree with everything each of you have said. Approximately half of female managers I’ve had have been toxic, overbearing, hypercritical narcissists. I had one manager, pre-pandemic, that was so horrible that I have PTSD and lost confidence in myself. A RIF happened there and she was able to miss the lay off. However, she was fired later due to many grievances against her. Karma always catches up to them.

  10. Jennifer K. Boulet

    Yes it’s awful and crippling sometimes of how bad it can absolutely be.
    I can totally relate to you and all I can say is keep being true to yourself stay positive even though they complain and make up stories and try to defame your character we will not stoop to that level.

  11. Anonymous

    I feel like women are highly critical of other women to begin with. Then if you bring in woman who is just as competent as you are then you feel threatened. I worked with a manager who was hypercritical of me because she knew I could do her job and she didn't like that I was a threat to her. We really should be supportive of each other and not tear others down. I hate seeing posts like this, unfortunately I think it is more common place than it should be.

  12. Anonymous

    Maybe your picker is off as well. When interviewing ask them about a time they have to course correct someone and what they did and how did they handle it. Always speak to someone who left their employ (this goes for male managers too) and find out what was good and bad. And also let them know what you need and how you take redirects and criticism. In other words manage your manager. If you found out that you were held to task because of the error with the phone number you could have put that in writing and made sure they remedied that without due action toward you. Find a better place where the manager is someone with whom you can have REAL conversations and to develop a good working relationship that pushes you both to excellence.

  13. Kimberly Bailey

    Agreed. I need to be more engaged in finding out why the position is open and how many times it’s been open. I seem to find jobs that have high turnover

  14. Anonymous

    I totally agree. I had an interview recently and I could tell something was off with the hiring manager. She seemed controlling. Someone in the interview panel brought up different issues she was having implementing a system and I offered feedback on how I could help, she seemed annoyed which makes me think she doesn’t like input from underlings lol. Which in the past I would make myself small in pleasant to get the job but, fit is important and her attitude kind of told me why the position was open.

  15. Kimberly Bailey

    I hate that you all have been through this but at the same time I’m glad it’s not just me lol. This woman and her “bestie” were ruthless. It’s worth mentioning that the position was filled 8 times in 7 years, and the majority of the time it wasn’t filled at all. No one made it beyond 6 months, with the exception of her henchwoman.

  16. Anonymous

    Much as I hate to admit it because I want to see women in leadership positions, after my last bout of working for a toxic narcissist female manager, I swore I would never do it again. Three times is enough for me. No more female bosses for me.

  17. Anonymous

    That is very behind and from what was shared warranted a conversation at minimum. just a glimpse, I would say move on.

  18. Anonymous

    I recently worked under a woman for years and she basically had me doing her work and took credit for it repeatedly unbeknownst me. She left the company and tried to reach out to me to be friendly but I don’t want to be. Working under a female can be tricky but better to move on. This one sounds very unreasonable to say the least.

  19. Anonymous

    I’m having the same problem. Just started a new job in October last year and am still on probation. My manager has been gaslighting me from the start stating that if I don’t come up to her standards then I’d be fired. She’s told me to use my initiative but when I do she then tells me run everything by her first. I can’t even send an email without her permission.

    It’s gotten so bad that I’ve had to take stress leave because I kept having panic attacks at the thought of going to work.

    hoping I can get a new job soon ?

  20. Anonymous

    OMG....YES. I am locked into a battle with a female manager who wasn't even supposed to be my boss. She takes every opportunity to sabotage everything I do and make me look like a complete idiot in front of the owner. After several very well documented months of this, I finally lost it last night. I haven't even decided if I'm going back.

  21. Anonymous

    It's ironic, I was just having a similar conversation with my best friend who is HR in a family owned business and she is on the outside of a female clique and is having a hard time. We discussed how men have a good ol' boys network and women don't seem to do that and it's a shame. Women could rule the world (Go Beyonce!) if we would just get out of our own way and hold each other up instead of tearing each other down. I'm not sure there's an easy fix for your situation other than to commiserate with you. I'm sorry, not every female manager is like that.

  22. Krista Alexander

    The trend to me is twofold:

    1) women leaders feeling like crabs in a barrel, i.e., believing ‘there can only be one’ and other women are somehow a threat

    2) women who mirror toxic male leaders in order to succeed — and then actually succeed because of it!

  23. Danielle Castillo

    Yes, sad to say, but women are the worst managers. I've dealt with my share of toxic, incompetent female managers in retail. It's actually one of the reasons I will never work in retail again. I'm sure there's some great female leaders, but overall, they're terrible. Sorry you went through that. I hope things get better for you and you'll find a new, better role with a great male boss.

  24. Anonymous

    All the toxic female managers I've had were Gen X or Boomers. I think because they had to fight so hard to break the glass ceiling and to be the only woman in the room and so did their mentors, they have kept that same cutthroat mentality. They're easily threatened, micromanage, and don't really support career progression. Boomer male managers are even worse. I hope that once those generations retire from the workplace, things will greatly improve.

  25. Elizabyth Harrington

    Wow. If you replaced the words "Gen X" and "Boomers" with a word describing race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other protected class, would this still be an appropriate position to state?

  26. Anonymous

    This has been my experience. I'm assuming you're part of the two generations named?

  27. Anonymous

    I'd rather work for a male boss. However males bosses can be bad as well especially if they have the hots for a female colleague. One woman I trained was very flirtatious with our male boss! He was too stupid to see her flattery was bogus. He promoted her ahead of me! I left the company. She reported him for sexual harassment. He got fired. And now this woman has his old job!

  28. Silky

    This seems to be an outbreak.

  29. Anonymous

    From birth, girls are trained that other girls are competition; who's the prettiest, who's the most popular, who can have the perfect boyfriend. As adults, woman are continuously told that everyone is competition. Who is the most beautiful, most successful, has the best job, has the best husband. If you compete the way the men do your bitchy, bossy, toxic. If you try to be nice, you're either labeled as weak or ineffective and you don't get promoted. If you don't play the game, you don't get ahead.

    The problem is, we are all taught as young women that the Mean Girl is the one we all should want to be. Especially now in this day and age of 'all about Me'. Why on earth do you expect women to suddenly change state and be the oppositive of everything we've been conditioned to be?

  30. Anonymous

    I sympathize with you.
    Left a micromanager who had multiple people leave over past several years. If she liked you, you were ok. If not, you were on her black list. I couldn't please her no matter what I did - and I had many many years experience in my position. I was allocated 50% time for a portion of my position which just wasn't enough time but was told needed to be done in 50% time. No opportunity to advance although I was doing a position that should have been in a different classification. A co-worker (liked) had a similar 50% allocation for her time and spent 90% of her time doing that position and not a word said. I kept looking and changed to a 100% different job within the same organization. I feel SOOOO much better physically and mentally. She hired one of her pets in my position.

  31. Anonymous

    I am shocked at the sexism in this post. Being a good manager is not gender based - but it sounds like you all walk in assuming that your woman supervisor is going to be worse than if that same person was a man. This is what FGB was created for - to support and build up female managers dealing with this bias and gender based assumptions sh*t everyday. If you think that women can’t be good managers, why did you join a site for women managers to support each other? It doesn’t sound like you are actually managers nor that you want to become managers because women aren’t good at it.

  32. Anonymous

    Thank you. The long diatribes about toxic managers being attributed to being a woman is honestly infuriating.

    Women supporting women!!! Women can have bias or unconscious bias against women and it's our responsibility to assess ourselves!

  33. CEJNYC

    You may need to talk to an employment lawyer.

  34. Kelsey

    I am a female in a senior leadership position. I can attest to having my fair share of female vultures, I mean, bosses in my previous work environments that led with fear and intimidation. If you weren't in their inner circle, you were not going to be considered for advancement. And, those that 'complied' had a dangerous amount of power.

    Knowing what I know now, I could have helped expose this to make it a better workplace for my successors. In my current position, I report directly to the CEO and Business Owner - both, older males. However, it's amazing the feedback I get during interviews, coaching, and exit interviews. Team members like women in power and think highly of the women in power here, but in many circumstances have reported feeling ganged up on, ambushed and disregarded, whenever my boss or business owner gave direction. Having some insight on backgrounds through building relationships, most of these female team members don't respond well to male voices in general. This post is valuable as I can relate to working under such malevolence, but I cannot help but feel a little blindsided by the overwhelming amount of people who don't like women in power.

    We need to change this!

  35. JJ

    I am old.

    It is not a trend. But I have had ridiculously inappropriate male bosses too. When you cram a bunch of people together in a building 60 hours a week, their worst parts are going to come out. Women just cannot seem to support each other day in and day out. A few posts and rallying here and there, for sure. But actually doing the hard work of holding space for a woman who is competing for your job and star power is not easy. All of my career, my support has come from men. Because of that I have tried ridiculously hard to support the women that I work with. It is a thankless job and it’s rarely returned at the same level but I’m committed to it even if I get burned 90% of the time.

  36. Anonymous

    I’ve had great managers and horrible managers. Gender didn’t matter. However, at my current job there is definitely a clique of females in power and if you’re not in with them, you’re OUT. Gen X’ers like myself. Never seen that before.

  37. Anonymous

    I'm ready for the term "toxic" to die.

    2x in 4 years to have a run in with management and this is a trend? Set up for failure implies some personal vendetta toward you, which seems unlikely.

    How about instead of attributing this as a trend of FEMALES we all realize that a poor manager is a poor manager and gender isn't really a factor. If it seems like a trend to you, I can only hope it's because you're getting more exposure to women being promoted to management roles. And, research shows people (both men and women) don't always respond well to women in places of authority and those women often face extreme criticism, even for things which are typical amongst male managers.

    You're a woman, surely you are not unfamiliar with the dual standards women face no matter the role/status in both work and personal life.

    I'm not saying she was right or a good manager, but it just irks me that you attribute this as some inherent weakness with women in leadership roles. I know so many fantastic women leaders, it's frustrating to see one or 2 managers cause some gender based statement like this. Women supporting women is a 2 way street also. LIkely this manager dealt with a ton of headwind in a likely male majority management team and if her team is slacking she probably getting roasted. 2 sides to every story.

  38. JS

    I came here to say this!! The trend I see is people managers just “checking the boxes” and not actually spending time with their people to develop them.

  39. Anonymous

    I would like to add in my own experiences that I've had for the past 15 years in IT as a project manager. I've only had one female manager that I reported to when I first started my career who truly was a mentor and wanted to help empower other females. I've had a few female managers along the way but most of my career experience has been reporting to male managers and quite honestly it's my preference. Sure there's good managers and bad managers but men and women do behave a bit differently. My last manager was female and she was extremely toxic and micro-manager to a level that seem to border on some OCD behaviors. In addition I have experienced working with women from our IT sales that were so quick to escalate and throw their team members under the bus it would make your head spin. Unfortunately I find that most of the female bosses I've worked with seem to think you are competing for their position and really don't want to help other females advance.

  40. Anonymous

    In my personal experience: absolutely.
    I was let go from my job of 21+ years at an investment bank; the bankers (mostly men) loved me, but the two CAOs I reported to - both women - decided to fire me without consulting them. No PIPs, no nothing. Just one day out of the blue, with no reason given. So yeah, those two women definitely are the worst! I hope this isn't actually a bigger trend, though. That would be really disappointing.

  41. TestE Cull

    That's just management in genrral, and is why I will never clown myself for them. 40 and done.

  42. GirlBossanova934974

    My take on this is that there are good female managers and there are bad female managers.
    There are good male managers and bad male managers. But the two things that distinguished the bad female managers were TWO THINGS: 1) They acted like high school cheerleaders aka they are always hanging out in little tribes or cliques. If you were not part of their group, forget it! Add in a A LOT of passive aggressive behaviors and even more constant calls for attention 2) They always felt threatened when faced with something they didn't know or understand. They acted like someone was out to take away their job without even thinking about it. A TON of insecurity.

  43. Anonymous

    Welcome to my world. I have had that experience numerous times. I do have a female supervisor now, who seems okay.

  44. Barbara

    You are one lucky person to get

    oit of a slave ship environment. Don’t work at places like that. The gender of a bad manager is irrelevant. There are some companies that actually nurture this type of manager. Steer clear or move to a different department should this happen again.

  45. Anonymous

    It is not a trend for females but for managers in general, regardless of gender. Since COVID, there has been a lot of jockeying for positions, so everyone is out there to "prove themselves," and the remote and hybrid trends only make the "vintage" management styles and methods obsolete, as managing people who are remote is entirely different than working those you interact with directly every day.

    This is a new paradigm that management training hasn't caught up with yet. Managers still get antsy when they can't "see" what their employees do daily, so they assume they are doing nothing. For people who work remotely, it is essential to maintain a timesheet/journal of what you do each day if this comes up.

    You also bring up an essential point about documents that contain your contact information. When you receive a box/stack of cards or letterhead, proofread everything before using it. I learned this the hard way when my email address had a typo. I had to have them reprinted, but I made sure that I corrected the error by crossing it out and writing in the correction until I got the updated batch (I know it's not a professional look, but it is better than having emails bounce that needed to get to me.)

  46. Anonymous

    It's not women in general. It's people. Many people have advanced into leadership positions and have zero people skills and you have to adjust how you interact with them. Sometimes there is no way to do that.

    I've worked for toxic males and females. It's just a matter of adjusting or moving on.

  47. Colleen Hanson

    I agree 100%. I have worked for both as well. Unfortunately I don't think that there is strict enough government regulation on how employees are treated. With so many "Right to Work" States it seems like employers can treat you almost any way they want and get away with it! The government claims to have laws in place to protect workers, but I have just not seen those laws work in favor of the employee who has been wronged. I had a co-worker that resigned her position and move on to a new company. She had to file an unpaid wage claim with the State we live in and it took the State almost 5 months to recover what she was owed! The employer had every excuse in the book; i.e. he didn't have her correct address, he mailed it and never received it back so she must have received it, etc. Each time he offered a new excuse, the State offered a new deadline. I still worked for this scum-bag and he would chuckle every time he got another notice from the State and would make up a new excuse. He thought it was funny and actually told me he would drag it out as long as he could and hopefully she would lose her new home because how dare she leave his company! He was the worst! I actually contacted the State, on her behalf, and told them what I knew with regard to him refusing to pay her. I was also able to include an incriminating email he had sent me regarding the situation. That was the end of January. She received her pay the middle of February. She left the company in September and according to State law, she should have been paid, in full, on the next pay day, which would have been October 1st (we were only paid twice a month). It should have never taken her almost 5 months to collect her final paycheck!

    I have personally been in a situation where a male employer (owner of the company) would unzip his pants and act like he was removing his "male part" and walk around like he was "swinging" it back and forth. Absolutely disgusting! After several times of him doing this, and him becoming more and more brazen about it (walking right up to a female employee in a chair and acting like he was "swinging" it in her face while asking if she wanted a "lap dance") I finally expressed that it made me uncomfortable. I was terminated the following day. When I filed a complaint with the EEOC he threatened the remaining employees with their jobs if they did not lie and say he never did that (one of my former co-workers told me he stood over each one of them and told them exactly what to say in a written statement supporting him). The EEOC immediately dropped my case. They don't even consider the threats that these employers make to remaining employees/witnesses.

    I feel like you can be worked almost to death and treated poorly and there is little to no protection for workers in "Right to Work" States. While I know that there are some people who do win cases, those numbers are extremely low when compared to the number of filings. It's extremely disheartening.

  48. Anonymous

    Agree wholeheartedly! Somehow people get into management with no people skills whatsoever! They have no regard for their direct reports but they do cater to their managers, which helps them keep their job regardless of their skillset and capability.

  49. Anonymous

    Sadly I was in part put on this account because my leadership thought if she had a female partner it would improve things. Nope, she's still horrible...and nothing anyone can do about it because she is our customer, so I must move on like others have said. It really shouldn't be this way, I love the team I support and am going to feel like a jerk when I leave them to continue to deal with her without me.

  50. Anonymous

    YES! The 2 I've worked for in the last few years set me up. They were ridiculous! Men - never had a problem, had my best reviews, raises, no problems. Women - i gave them exactly the same service, respect etc. and they all messed me up and eliminated my jobs (2x)

  51. Melissa H. Byers

    Yes. The VP of our team railed at me for 20 minutes in an open meeting, and when I reported it to HR "apologized" in an email to everyone saying she had too much caffeine that day. A few months later, I was "reorganized" out of the company. My partner ran afoul of the other female VP and she engineered false accusations against him using a young, new employee. And the president, who hired both of them, backed them in each case, of course.

  52. Cindy Glover

    100%

  53. Anonymous

    This happened to me. I left corporate due to a toxic bully I reported to. I'm also a woman of color so I kind of took a different look at it. I think in corporate America's effort to pretend to be inclusive a lot of women were pushed to the top and left there. I was in my position long enough to see very little mentoring.. coaching or training to help all women be good successful leaders. It's not just women of color it's pretty much all of them that held mid to senior level positions. When Covid came along followed by the great resignation what was left were these very toxic untrained women who simply lacked the skills and resources needed to be solid respected leaders. Now with the destruction of DEI in corporate work places there's less of an incentive to provide mentoring which to me should always be an ongoing part of anyone's career path especially if there is a desire to stay and move up within the organization.

  54. Igor Rozenberg

    People should be promoted based on their abilities not based on gender.

  55. Anonymous

    This is too real. I am black and my manager was a woman of color and she was absolutely horrible to me. As soon as she took over the team, I knew it was game over for me. She did not even try to hide her disdain for me - she always had an excuse to skip any lunches or 1-on-1's I planned for us to know each other better. She would assign me work before/after work hours and do it herself / reassign it immediately then berate me for not doing it the instant it was assigned (7:05AM assigned, 7:42AM done, 9:00AM message telling me she is disappointed in how long it took).

    As bad as this sounds, I am genuinely avoiding women managers, especially women of color. Because the stereotypical situation where women are mistreated in the workplace has always been in the hands of men, women managers get to do whatever they want with impunity and without anyone ever questioning whether their actions were stemming from bias or being targeted.

  56. Anonymous

    In my 40+ years of employment I have had both good and bad managers. The best manager I had was a woman. Her demeanor was cold and business like, but she was very approachable. She, in my opinion exemplified the differences between a leader and a manager. There was never the warm fuzzy moments where she attempted to demonstrate some quasi efforts to appear that she gave a damn about by personal life. Instead it was never “what are you going to do to fix this” but rather “what can this team do to remedy this or that”

    long and short, women leaders tend to be measured by how warm and fuzzy they are, or how good they make you feel, whereas the cold business like approach tends to be a valued trait in male managers

  57. Ashlee Panaia

    I was just terminated for “performance” a week after a “Meets Expectations” review by a toxic manager. From the day she took over as my manager, I knew she wanted to get rid of me. I even said that I did not feel like she wanted me on her team. So yeah. I have experienced one. I’m just moving on to bigger and better things.

  58. Anonymous

    I work in a male dominated industry.
    Worst boss I had was a wicked, young female, it seemed like the more people liked me the more she picked on me. She accused me of not doing a good job on a project and it was one I never worked on and her response was I don’t want any excuses. Best thing she did was lay me off and now I have a phenomenal, high paying position with men that respect me and my unique skill set.
    I always say men are mean, but women are evil.

  59. Julie Wozniak

    Yes! Has happened to me twice in my career, and my husband very recently. I vowed to never work under / report to a woman ever again as a result. Life is so much better with a seasoned, experienced man at the helm. I hate to say this but women tend to be petty, competitive, and feel "threatened" at the slightest thing they see an employee "do better than them," not to mention the personal "woman" issues they inevitably have, that these toxic vultures use as an excuse for their bad toxic behavior. There are some exceptions, but this is certainly the trend now.

  60. Anonymous

    I am so sorry that you had this coincidental (IMHO) experience.
    I have had both good and bad leaders/managers of both genders. I really don't accept the stereotype that women leaders are less effective, in general, than their male counterparts and neither do many workforce researchers and experts. Here's just one study of MANY: https://www.apa.org/topics/women-girls/female-leaders-make-work-better Good luck with both your OWN leadership development and finding a healthier organizational structure in which to contribute.

  61. Anonymous

    I would say I'm unsure if it's a *trend* but I would say I found it even more striking in the era of COVID and the supposed rethink of what work and work life should look like. It was honestly astonishing to me to see how unhelpful and genuinely, well, toxic my last manager was. Not in terms of actual management (project/time management, etc.), but the gossip, open mocking of myself and other employees, etc.

    Didn't need someone to be all in on DEI, etc. but that all of this was nonexistent (no discussion of diversity except when it came to hiring, mocking the idea of Summer Fridays, a lack of respect to boundaries when it came to PTO/outside of business hours/weekends, etc. still astonishes me. I understand a lot of us are Not Okay for many reasons but I was taken aback at how this person was so willing to uphold the toxicity and everything that is Wrong With Work, etc.

  62. Laurie

    Gen X here and I don't think it's a trend.
    I've seen it happen for years. I wish I could explain why some women are so toxic when placed in leadership roles. Perhaps it comes from socialization, the thick skin we have to have rising though the ranks, and even popular culture. My last manager thought it was perfectly fine to roll her eyes at me, to tell me there was no reason to train me because, "we learn more by making mistakes than training. When our vendors come to you upset you'll never make that mistake again." and then help me responsible for the mistakes. She constantly gossiped about how much she hated one of our team members. Anyone who reported her was "let go" within months, so most people just stayed out of her way. I wish I knew how to bring about a change, but all I can do it be better and raise the daughter I want to see lead the next generation.

  63. Sammie d

    Same then instead of off boarding they shit my out of my computer and called me with no warning and fired me

  64. Anonymous

    I truly wrestle with the fact that I want to fully support women I report to, I have experienced frustration with poor leadership skills. Too often I think female managers become "too familiar" and assume that other women around them will accept poor planning, erratic responses to senior leadership, vindictive behavior and competitiveness, disorganization, and rambling meetings. While your account of what happened is alarming, I don't think it is that unusual. And I would hate to cast a negative shadow on all female managers. However, in all honesty, my worst work experiences have involved female bosses.

  65. Diane Frances Lesley-Neuman

    Yes encountered many.

  66. Anonymous

    YES! At multiple companies. I honestly don't like to work for women anymore.

    At my last company I had a female senior director (my direct supervisor) + female VP above her + female CEO .. worst company for work-life balance. Even though all 3 had children, they gave me such a hard-time about my own doctor appointments for my high-risk pregnancy. Then I was laid off at 20w pregnant anyway. Its sad but women are not about helping women in professional settings.

  67. Daniela Pardo

    I'm shocked and disgusted by the sexism in this post and the comments. Being a good leader has nothing to do with gender, and by deciding "I will not report to a woman ever again" you are supporting a system that doesn't let us grow, get a seat on the table, and have power. Shame on you.

  68. Linda McCurry

    Say what you will, the truth sometimes hurts. I think the awful managers are victims of misogynistic treatment themselves and sh*t just flows downhill, but it is still true.

  69. Daniela Pardo

    I work in tech, and in this super male-dominated industry, women are exceptional at managing pressure, safeguarding their team, making decisions, and driving progress. Are they mother-ly? Nope. I don't need them to be. I want them to be effective, not nice.

  70. Anonymous

    I think your assessment may be spot on. Hurt people, hurt people. I do not like to oversimplify, but this thread highlights a problem.
    And if we as women notice it, our male counterparts must at least sense it as well.

    Although... I wonder if males see it the same way, or if women managers treat men more respectfully. Given our hypersensitive cancel culture these days, most men are pretty mum about gender dynamics in the workplace.

  71. Anonymous

    Daniela, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Having two bad female managers in a row does not mean all are bad any more than having two bad male managers in a row makes all male managers bad. Sharing first-hand experiences is one thing. People should not overlay their experiences on everyone else because there are millions more experiences than those expressed here.

    I have been a manager in several companies, and some employees would not call it a good experience. To others, I am the best manager they have ever had. I like to think I was fair with the treatment of all employees, but that doesn't mean I gave everyone whatever they wanted.

    My personal experience with female managers is a mixed bag. Some were good, and we remained friends after I left—some were highly toxic. The ratio of the mix was about the same as the male managers I have had.

  72. Stella

    In my past 30 year working history, women managers were always more difficult to work with over men. It’s an insecurity issue that women have if you show strength, most - not all - are threatened.

  73. Anonymous

    I have never seen so many comments about one issue. Clearly it is a problem. I have dealt with that throughout my entire career. Just left a company where all women were promoted and essentially the men were demoted or got fired. People are now leaving and can’t get out fast enough. While I did receive a minor promotion as well to stay because they knew I was good at my job and could do it, the toxicity was rampant. An old colleague (male) asked me to work under him for a significant pay raise. Had to take it. Trying to lift other women up for their own benefit when they’re incompetent is too exhausting. I would rather work for someone who sees my talent and wants to see me succeed and get paid well in the process.

  74. Kathy Donnald

    Most of them are, had 4 in the past 4 or 5 months. Sick!! I do not know if they are jealous or just mean.

  75. Anonymous

    I had the most toxic females as leaders and managers for 6 years.
    Loved my job but hated coming to Work. The company seemed to make them miserable and it flowed downward. Now I have a group of 5 wonderful female leaders. It is just some poor leaders

  76. Anonymous

    I worked for a large bank for 9 years and worked my way up the ladder by changing roles every two years. Out of all the people I worked for, the women were by far the most poisonous. Absolutely toxic. I finally just retired rather than tolerate it any longer.

  77. NC16

    Poisonous describes 3 of my past women managers. I love that word!

  78. Anonymous

    I hate working for female managers who are jealous and want to sabotage your accomplishments.

  79. Anonymous

    I don't think this issue has changed much over the years. But I will say I believe there are more toxic managers, male and female, than in past years. Changing the rules or not being transparent is setting one up for failure and I've worked for a few where this was an issue. I tend to chalk it up to their lack of confidence and ability, but doesn't help my psyche much. I've left organizations because of the toxicity only to find myself working with another toxic soul. I left one position, working for a newly promoted male who was just plain mean, and went to work for a female administrator who was wonderful. Unfortunately, she retired 18 months later and I found myself working for another toxic male; he didn't know his job and he was very retaliatory and deceptive. I think some of these people are mean because they believe it gives them power, but in reality it just shows their insecurity. I just think the toxic behavior is growing no matter the gender.

  80. Anonymous

    I would like to think that gender does not play a role in Manager / Subordinate interaction - but I had one particularly bad experience with one Manager who happened to be female, years ago. I found this individual's interaction model to be terse, abrupt and unreceptive - and the only poor ratings I received for Year End assessment occurred when I reported to her. Prior to that, and subsequent to that, I have had very fair assessments which were supported by peer feedback, project success and awards received.

    There was obviously something this individual did not like concerning me, but I am not certain gender was the key driver of that. I am surprised to see this person is still with the organization, and if for some reason I was ever re-org'd under her, I would leave immediately.

  81. Kristi White

    4 out of the 6 females that I reported to in the last 10 years have been toxic and mostly incompetent. The last manager quietly fired me during her first 10 months running our team because I’m older than her and I didn’t nod, smile, and hang on her every word. I have found that the gaslighting and lack of accountability all of them entitled themselves with has no boundary. I had a manager refuse to hire good people to our team that I referred because she was worried they’d “try to take over”. I worked for her for 6 years, never discussed goals or got a promotion despite the fact that I helped her get two promotions by literally putting together her pitches and success plans.

  82. Daniela Pardo

    Hi "anonymous". I have been in the workforce for +14 years and have had good and bad managers. I work in a very male-dominated industry, so interacting with men in power is not foreign to me. I don't see a pattern at all, if anything, my female managers have been better coaches and mentors.

    The correlation I see is that YOU don't get along with women, and you clearly have a problem with women in power.

  83. Daniela Pardo

    I believe that you have had bad experiences; I have had terrible experiences, too, with both men and women. So, I genuinely do not believe this is a gender problem.

    I work in a male-dominated industry, and IN MY first-hand experience, my female managers have been my best mentors and cheerleaders.

  84. Anonymous

    Your turn will come.

  85. Daniela Pardo

    Wow. What are you doing in a women community then?

  86. Amanda Saldanha

    I completely agree I have had 7 women in positions above me who have been toxic ! I do not like female bosses for the most part because of this. They are always jealous of you or expect you to be like them. They can be rude and condescending too. I always spot these women soon and most often than not I do not have a choice. Not sure what has happened in a society where women empowerment is supposed to be at its strongest!?! Women put women down.

  87. Anonymous

    I don't think women have the market cornered in toxicity. I've worked for both men and women who were insanely toxic. However, I did just leave a company in which all women in leadership were very toxic-grounded in fear, gaslighting, regularly lying and backstabbing. What can you do? The bad sleep well.

  88. Anonymous

    Don't think it is about her being a woman. Toxic people exist in all forms and shapes regardless of gender, status, title etc. I think the take away from this should be to work with people who are respectful, understand your role well and communicate effectively with you. Before jumping in a new role make sure you do research on your hiring manager and company culture.

  89. Stephanie Dufner

    I think alot of it has to do with people in general not having the capacity to lead, much less manage. There's a belief that because someone may excel in sales, engineering, or fundraising that they would be a great manager when 95% of the time that is not the case.

  90. Anonymous

    One successful businessman who owns a business said this: "I think there's different stages of business life.
    You'll find that not many CEOs have all the prerequisite skill sets."

    Summing it up, he says, "I would say there are two challenges. You know, there's not one type of manager or CEO.

    "There are different CEOs for different parts of corporate life...

    "That also means that when you know you're not the right person for the job anymore, you should know when to hire someone better to do the job than yourself."

  91. Daniela Pardo

    "Anonymous" assumes I lack work experience to make an informed statement just because I disagree with the sexism and misogyny of this post. If anything, I believe both females and males can be amazing and terrible at their jobs. I have had four LIFE-CHANGING female managers, and I'm not here making a statement that women are the best leaders based on my personal experience; it would be silly to do so.

    Also, I wonder...What is making me look like an "insecure" leader? Statement my ground? Having strong opinions? Is teasing another possibility? Challenging your beliefs?

  92. Anonymous

    I would say not just female managers but male too. I’m finding the new trend of managing is not training; giving conflicting information; not holding to what they said before; expecting flawless performance with absolutely no mistakes, then immediately firing when they find the person isnt successful under their poor management. It’s horrible and becoming a true problem. Hang in there

  93. Daniela Pardo

    because you are "anonymous," I can only assume you are the person who wrote the first long paragraph that was deleted. If you have had nine female managers with zero issues, why are you making the statement that women are toxic in leadership positions? I'm just curious.

  94. Anonymous

    I’ve worked with hundreds of females that were peers or lower ranked staff which I left out of my initial comment. My experience, more than twice that of yourself, has shown me that generally females are competitive with one another. No, not all, as I personally don’t subscribe to such behavior or choose to associate myself personally with anyone that does. However, Insecure females in power positions who arent above toxicity, tend to use unethical and subjective measures to “attempt” to tear down women who intimidate them. In a professional setting it’s typically by being dismissive, gaslighting, spreading false narratives, and opinion based gossip.

    When such a manager is unable to make the employee bend over to their superiority, they resort to tactics potentially threatening the livelihood of their now focused target. I’ve NEVER encountered any such behavior in my male colleagues or managers. Simply NOT EVER..

    Your assumption made without inquiring for further info to base an informed opinion of me was completely out of line and frankly, bends towards bitchy. I do however appreciate and commend your attempt to gain further info now. Thank you.

    Communication and the means of communication used for a fact based assessment and appropriate conclusion are of key importance when those judgments involve people.

    If those types of assumptions are made and lived out in a position of leadership, results will very likely cost yourself the great loyalty and respect from staff and peers, as well as personal relationships.

    For a manager to do the same with an employee, creates a threat to the employee’s livelihood and health considering the amount of time spent at work .

    To explain further, that quick judgment with such little insight leads to complete biased belief in the false assumption and is evidenced in how the employee is subsequently treated.

    Without informed facts and consideration to the contrary, the resulting relationship deteriorates along with the motivation, confidence, and mental health of the employee. The manager’s situation in that equation is untouched, Resulting treatment of the employee is in direct correlation to the ill-formed opinion and subjective judgment.

    I’ve had more male managers with zero issues along with male colleagues.

    My current situation of a long held and successful career at one of the largest banks in the world leaves me now devastated. Professionally, I take great pride in my work ethic, abilities, and overall success in professional relationships I’ve worked hard to achieve what I have, starting at the bottom and up through the ranks I’ve maintained contact with most all of my prior managers which speaks to the fact that my current situation isn’t a “me” issue. It has not easy and spans over half of my life….only to have one toxic female steal it piece by piece over the past year. Recently brought to light was the fact that she set me up to fail intentionally. She’s not gained any further respect from doing so, However, she’s ensured the fact that one way or another I’ll be leaving for another position at a different company at the first opportunity that favorably presents an itself..

  95. LORI-ANN BURLINGAME

    If you feel that you were terminated without just cause, you may want to contact your local EEOC office. In addition, most cities have a Legal Aid Society that can help you with employment/legal matters.

    This sounds more like a personality conflict. And, yes, toxic female managers have been in the business world for many, many years. Because of their own insecurities, they make everyone else's life unpleasant.

    Remember, this is her baggage not yours -- don't carry it for her.

    Wishing you the best!

  96. Anonymous

    Anonymous over here addressing people by name who are strong and confident enough to put out their name and stand by their comment. Anonymous is sounding like the insecure person who is too insecure to ever become a leader.

  97. Anonymous

    Two is not a trend, it’s an anecdote. Try not to become toxic yourself by overgeneralizing.

    I do agree that this one particular person sounds incompetent, retaliatory and punished you for her own incompetence. I am sorry and hope you seek action under EEOC.

    There are a bajillion nuances of female-female supervisor-supervisee working relationships. Sometimes we hold other women to too-high standards bc “we had to go thru it”. Sometimes we are “too nice” and chitchatty and it takes effort to craft a professional, direct relationship. Some of women I’ve worked for have adeptly taught me the ropes of working in male-dominated industries. There are a few common tropes but it’s widely variable.

  98. Daniela Pardo

    "Two is not a trend, it’s an anecdote." love that

  99. Anonymous

    If you look at the bigger picture, I’d bet most “toxic” female leaders have toxic male bosses above them and what you see as toxic from them is them enforcing the rules etc from the bros above them.

    I'm also shocked at the number of women here saying female bosses are jealous of them. Jealous of what exactly?? If they’re your boss they are already doing well in their career while you’re still climbing the ladder they’re very likely not jealous of you lol. Women competing against each other is so old. How do we progress if we keep men in charge of everything? That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard! Let’s stop comparing ourselves ladies and look at our bosses like humans and if there’s an issue try to determine why that specific Person is acting a certain way. Is she being a “bitch” because she repeated what her male boss told her to. Do you have personal issues taking direction from a female? Generalizing any situation especially having a bad boss and then thinking all female bosses are bad will set you up for a terrible future career. Learn everything you can from them, work on lots of personal development (limiting beliefs especially ones like ‘all ____ are bad’ are a career killer! nothing is “all” and you can’t grow in life unless you realize that!) and go be a better manager yourself one day. That’s how we change the things we don’t like and grow as women!

  100. Anonymous

    I have bad managers both male and female it seems someone is good at one thing and the have no more raises or promotions they can give them they reach the ceiling so they make them managers
    however more bad experiences with women either as managers or as co workers I dot. Know why but it seems like there is some kind of u spoken competition that I have never liked , makes everything difficult
    i have had bad male co workers as well but mostly women and I would have thought women would be trying to help other women but that is hardly ever the case

  101. Anonymous

    Yes, indeed. Although I noticed these “bad” managers had different tactics.

    Men wanted to keep me in my place. By exploiting my work ethic and productivity, good work was rewarded with more work and backhanded compliments to clip my wings, holding me back from promotions. (I.E. you’re too good at your job that we cannot promote you).

    Women wanted me out, telling me I was in the wrong job. They purposely set me up for failure with

    lack of support, unequal treatment, consistently changing metrics to turn my work by 90°, and a hostile workplace filled with gossip and verbal abuse. When I questioned my fit in the role, I was quickly told the company wouldn’t hold me back from leaving.

    In both cases, I had been left to rot with no career development opportunities.

    Thankfully I am now in a better place.

  102. Anonymous

    I share your sentiment. I had 2 extremely toxic female bosses when I first started working over 20 years ago which led me to leave the job without a job lined up. Fast forward to 7 years later, they both became my counterparts on a project where they needed me in order to gain more collaboration opportunities. The moral of the story is that this is not a trend. This problem has been around for a long time now. The issue is that some female managers see another female as a threat to their careers. Because of their insecurity, they give us a hard time that claims to be opportunities for improvement. Now 20 years later, I can see where they were coming from, but rather than be another toxic female boss, I reminded myself that I do not want to become like them and I want to use other ways to improve my employees. I hope you will be able to find an inspiring manager who uplift you no matter what.

  103. Anonymous

    You sound like an awesome boss ….are you hiring ? lol !

  104. Nancy France

    Welcome to a teacher's world, where many of our principals go into admin because they've discovered they enjoy power, and never liked kids that much.

  105. Anonymous

    Not that you need more input here but I have definitely experienced this!
    I have had two very toxic female bosses one of which I quit under without a job lined up. In that particular instance, I know it had something to do with her trying to measure up to the all male leadership that was around her, but she was incredibly cruel, unprofessional, possibly even illegal in terms of her methods of manipulation and harassment in the work place. And she was only a year older than me, I actually couldn’t understand where she got this work ethic and behavior. I’ve worked for men only a few years older than me since then and it’s been wonderful. I am all about supporting women in the leadership and this is of course not true for every situation but in my experience there is definitely an element of “something to prove” in some cases, especially when surrounded by male
    leadership. Also I find female bosses to be much more gossipy and competitive with than the male bosses I’ve had - again, not trying to generalize but this has been my experience in 4 or 5 workplaces.

    Also, for both genders, people are often promoted to manager levels without any training or knowledge of how to be a manager. This much has been very clear, and it’s a consistent problem at least in corporate America. There are not always the resources available to make these people the kinds of managers they should be, but they continue their careers with that title anyway.

  106. Anonymous

    I feel that too-yours could be MY story

  107. Anonymous

    In my former organization, definitely WHO you know, NOT WHAT you know.
    A$$ kissers and idiots trump the wprkerbees - "you're great doing what you are so no movement needed"

    Please.

    Only way up is to get OUT.

  108. Anonymous

    This has been going on for 20yrs already

    Most females take advantage of that role and become major b$tches. Sorry.

  109. Anonymous

    I got let go once as accused of lying because "project was great and no way I did ANY of it" --, let alone help.
    I had none .

  110. Titra Hamilton

    A few weeks back, I texted two of my besties from college and asked, "Is this toxic mess what women's leadership looks like?"

  111. Anonymous

    Sad.

  112. Anonymous

    I currently have one. She is the reason I am looking for another job.

  113. Farhana Bushunka

    I’m so sorry! That sounds horrible and so unfair! I’ve myself had a really toxic female boss this past year and a half and now I have a toxic male boss. I don’t wanna go into details because I would hate to re- live it

  114. Anonymous

    I’m so sorry that happened to you. Same happened to me. Just know it wasn’t you, not everyone has a good heart

  115. Anonymous

    In the past I worked with really nice women that turned into toxic B’s once they got in leadership. A couple of them didn’t last and either took demotions or moved into something completely different. I recently left a job because of a very type A manager.

  116. Anonymous

    Yes. in a toxic work relationship now. This is the second job in a year that this has happened. What is going on? and why?

  117. Anonymous

    I’m a woman of colour. The worst, managers I’ve had were women and the most abusive, petty, toxic, idiot managers were other women of colour. I guess they fought hard to get there and have something to prove. If an opportunity presents itself and the manager happens to be a WOC, I don’t bother applying for the job.

  118. Vivian Lee

    Or they brought their past trauma into the workplace, thinking if they had a difficult life, everyone else has to suffer to be on their level. Especially if they come from a war torn country or a country with different practices where women were not valued.

  119. Anonymous

    Wow. I’ve worked for several woman bosses a few of whom were of color and only one lady was problematic. She wasn’t toxic she was a perfectionist and super smart and a bit of a show off. You could never tell her you didn’t agree and she thought she knew everything. It didn’t drive me as nuts as others who had much more experience in the field than I so they had the reason to be frustrated for being stifled. She was a bit eccentric and crazy but not toxic. Other than her all other women managers I’ve had were wonderful and I loved working with them. I have noticed in my long careeer that the last 10uears or so, most managers aren’t trained well and are all about their ego what they perceive as being powerful. Bullying is truly in vogue males especially. Working for men younger than myself these days is quite an interesting dance to say the very least.

  120. Anonymous

    That is disappointing but certainly seen it equally in White women. Before I took this job 23 years ago I had sworn off Women managers...so it has been a problem for a long time. I've had some REALLY amazing ones, and my current situation is a weight-gaining nightmare, yes I put on pounds when I deal with this kind of environment. Thankfully the few WOC leaders I have had were great, I hope you can find one, or be the one as you rise in your career!

  121. Anonymous

    I've noticed this across the board. Just a general ineptitude among managers that translates in bad behavior. I'm sorry but I prefer to find a way to work for myself.

  122. Anonymous

    Yes! Two bosses within 2 years were toxic. Chipped away at my confidence and left me a little traumatized . New job and boss, so far so good

  123. Anonymous

    I started a new job last fall and the manager is very nice. She even texted me to make sure I got home after driving in a snow storm. Such a difference from the last job. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

  124. Anonymous

    Yes and yes. It's so sad when women fail in this way. Totally destroys the concept of female empowerment and strength. ?

  125. Mikki Shull

    The responses to this post show a definite problem with female toxicity in positions of power. It is a very sensitive and real topic. As women, how can "we" confront and correct this trend... and contain negative workplace fallout?

  126. Anonymous

    I would love to know "how can we confront and correct this trend".

  127. Anonymous

    Not quite sure... I would love to know a well. But this will not correct itself if we ignore or do not directly address the problem. Tiptoeing around bad behavior never works. Maybe push for a 360 review process to open up feedback channels? Maybe share this concern with HR during the exit interview? Maybe establish manager metrics that would start to highlight the problem? Maybe a Ted Talk? Maybe mentoring?

  128. Anonymous

    Wow. This post has garnered *a lot* of conversation and reactions.

    To be honest, I am wondering if some of us are a bit trained to repeat “anyone, regardless of gender, can be a toxic boss” and perhaps dodge some substance…and the other some of us are struggling to dismantle a pinch of internalized misogyny.

    Like, if a female boss is blunt, direct and demanding: is she a strong, no-nonsense boss or a b-word? Do women react even worse to that approach than do men?

    I’ve had plenty of struggling managers who are male. I’ve had to redirect when male managers want to compliment me for being “such a good little helper” that I am, in fact, doing the work that I’m trained and skilled to do. I’m not doing it bc I wish to “appear helpful”. I’m doing it bc I wish to appear competent. I’ve had male bosses who bully or say nasty things teetering on harassment.

    The only toxic female boss I’ve had was/is a friend. She was going thru a mental breakdown and decided to sneakily self-sabotage. Except it affected my career as well. That one was a doozy.

  129. Anonymous

    This! It’s all about the person, not the gender.

    I’ve worked for way more toxic male bosses than the 1 bad female manager years ago. Imagine if I’d decided all women were toxic bosses because of that one troubled person (she was horrible, no doubt about it, but because of who she was as a person, not as a woman and the shitty man with more authority above her didn’t help the situation). If I took that situation as “all females” I’d never have worked with an awesome female boss and become an awesome leader myself. This is why the boys clubs are still so predominant because if you look at this thread women don’t even want other women to have a seat at the table anymore. It’s crazy!

  130. Anonymous

    Not one person on here said anything about “all females.” Not one person said they don’t want women to “have a seat at the table.” You’re being hyperbolic in your Interpretation of this very important conversation. Don’t discredit these women’s experiences simply because you’ve only had one female boss, and don’t agree. Many of us have had the opportunity to compare several male and female bosses and work experiences, and this is how it was from where we’re sitting. It doesn’t make it wrong or right, and no one is perfect. but there’s a pattern that you clearly don’t want to acknowledge.

  131. Stella

    Just goes to show poor female managers are not always qualified

  132. Anonymous

    Blunt direct and demanding is NOT the same as micromanager. THOSE traits are desirable and reach for productivity The latter leans toward subjectiveness and favoritism that is the start of toxic climate

  133. Anonymous

    Blunt, direct, and demanding with a huge side of NASTY is what my team deals with. Everyone spends more time scratching their heads in disblief then getting things done. I have already asked to be removed from supporting this customer. However that won't help everyone I leave behind that has to continue to endure. Thankfully my true manager who is a women is amazing, but my customer on the other hand is a nightmare. A new favorite phrase, "we are all friends here"...yeah no one falling for THAT!

  134. Janet Parkhurst

    Unfortunately, I think "women against women" has been going on for a very long time. We have been discriminated against and denied any real opportunity for so unforgivably long, that it's almost expected for us to be angry and defensive and even OFFENSIVE. But why we take that out on other women escapes me. Early in my career, I had a GREAT female boss whom I tried my best to emulate. She was beautiful, talented, fair and professional and extremely encouraging. She was not only a good example; she was my inspiration. I learned so much from her. No female boss I've had SINCE can hold a candle to her--and I've been working for well over 40 years. Unfortunately (and this has happened a lot to me), she decided to move on within mere months of my working for her because a toxic woman she had been forced to work under, previously, returned to the company. Sigh. That has happened to me a lot. Bosses who I've agreed to work for -- it's like 90% of my decision to accept a job offer -- have moved out of their positions within mere months of my hire, leaving me at the mercy of some unknown ogre I had never met. Of course, I've had decent women bosses, since--but I've had my share of mean ones, too. By "mean," I refer to women who make things personal, such as my age, if I'm older than they are (or, sometimes not). Given the longevity of my career, I mostly AM! Or, they have discredited me (or exploited me with long hours and no vacation time) for being "single with no 'responsibilities'." It's stuff like that that drives me crazy. There have definitely been too many "meow moments." AND, I've had female subordinates (two) take my job by discrediting me to management with absolute LIES. However--I've also had miserable MALE bosses, too. Mostly cowards who couldn't be direct with criticism, so felt it was easier to just let me go. (And other women before me.) IDK. I had to leave my most recent job, because the much younger female boss just seemed to hate having me in her employ. (I think her father, the owner of the company who had known me for years, felt confident in hiring me, and she perhaps had little choice in the matter.) She started out being very nice and cordial. I actually looked forward to working with her! I respected the fact that she'd learned the industry in very little time and seemed to handle her job like a pro. I like to learn in a job and be encouraged to "stretch." But she was obsessively critical of the way I did my job and rarely said anything positive about my performance. For example, she said I was overly nice to customers (it was a "people industry," for God's sake) and needed to "lose the empathy." She was insanely cruel to other employees (male AND female), but they rarely quit. ??? I finally did, after a little more than two years of great work with few mistakes. It all felt so defeating. I enjoyed the job, but there's NOTHING WORSE than working for someone who only appears to tolerate you, rather than appreciate you. I am, after a full career, almost at the point where I would refuse to ever work for a woman again. I just seem to get along better with men. She said, in the end, I just "wasn't a fit." Now, who the heck knows what THAT means?

    In conclusion, I still don't want to say I'll never work for another woman, because I DO know there are plenty of miserable male bosses out there, too. But there always HAS been "the old boys' network." Why can't there ever be an "old girls' network?" I'd love to see THAT happen.

  135. Anonymous

    agree...we need that "gals club"

  136. Anonymous

    That is so incredibly odd. She fired you because she thought you had help? Even if you did, most would care more that their tasks were done well (unless it was NDA level sensitive info only you were cleared for). Sounds like she was trying to get rid of you earlier, but luckily you're out of there.

    Leadership is supposed to learn how to guide, grow, and support their employees to reach their highest potential. Not undermine, sabotage, and abuse. Too many people in management positions are absolutely terrible at leading people properly. They aren't leaders, they're just managers that worked their way up a ladder. Sorry you had this experience.

  137. Anonymous

    Yeah. I am at a point in my career where I only want to work for men. At my current job, they switched me to a new young female manager, and I was very vocal about my opinion.

    Fortunately, she is okay.

  138. Anonymous

    Wait, are you implying you were the toxic one in this scenario, since the younger female manager is "okay" but you were vocal about not wanting to work under her?

    Or did I misunderstand this post?

  139. Janet Parkhurst

    I'm finding a lot of these posts to be a bit confusing...

  140. Changemaker828603

    I wasn't "toxic". I just stated that I had been targeted by two other new younger, female managers in my career, and this job was too important to me to have this same experience again.

    I agreed to have an open mind, but I was proactive this time. I am an older, white female, pretty much the easiest target for a new female manager who is excited to show how awesome she is by putting someone on corrective action.

    Already had this happen to me twice. And please don't blame me. You don't know it until you have experienced it.

  141. Anonymous

    We only see your post saying how you switched you to work under "a new young female manager" and how you were vocal about it.

    Are you saying you judged this specific manager based on other bad experiences with younger female managers? That's understandable you were nervous based on past bad experiences. I think ageism is terrible for anyone involved, older and younger. We need to support and empower each other more often, regardless of age or hierarchy.

  142. Vivian Lee

    Yes, there are exceptions. After several negative experiences with women in leadership roles throughout my career, I am thankful to have a supportive boss. I feel more encouraged after each meeting with her. She also creates a safe space for the team to ask questions and voice concerns.

  143. Anonymous

    I had one for 18 months however the new female manager is a micro manager . I am also far into my career and don't want to play this " game "

  144. Anonymous

    You could totally sue the company

  145. Melissa H. Byers

    To be fair, in my two very different careers, I have had two absolutely wonderful, supportive female bosses. One in each career. As a 21-year public school teacher, I had one department head who was wonderful and followed a toxic female who was demoted. Unfortunately, she developed breast cancer and died. She was followed by the absolute worst, most toxic department head of my career, a man. He was a large part of why I retired early and moved across the country to begin a new career in web management. In my second career, my first boss was an absolutely wonderful woman, a fierce champion of the women under her. Then the company laid off our entire team. My next job was at a non-profit, which is the place I spoke about in my earlier post. My point is, all women bosses aren't bad and all male bosses aren't good. But, in my experience, like the little girl with the little curl, with the female bosses, "when they are bad, they are horrid."

  146. Janet Parkhurst

    Maybe it's "Equal Opportunity" misinterpreted.

  147. Anonymous

    I am a woman directly from Africa, that has lived in US since age 4. Professionally, I have had women from my same home country be nasty to me, a black American woman do everything to undermine me in my job (all while claiming to be looking out for me. I had a black male 20 years my senior tell me he cant stand younger people with degrees and will do anything to take their job away (which he attempted to do to me).

    I had a white female manager ask me if everything was "good in the hood" who was the said black man's superior, when I reported his behavior.

    Currently my manager is an older white woman, held a grudge against me for almost a year because I missed two emails in one month. All while she is non responsive to emails for months at a time.

    I am not sure what the exact reason is but the 9-5 is extremely taxing. This has caused me to only apply for remote jobs. I recently received a job offer with a 27k salary increase 6 months after obtaining my masters degree. I am literally in fear because it requires some in person activity as it is a community engagement job opportunity. I am an older person now and simply do not have the energy for office politics.

  148. Suzie S.

    In my current position, I have had two very different female managers in the past two years. I do everything to ensure that my job is done correctly, ensure my staff and clients are taken care of, and take all feedback given, but I continue to be treated in a constant passive-aggressive manner. Women against women have been going on for a long time, but this is the first time I have ever experienced it, and it is exhausting. I continue to go to work with my head held high and respect the chain of command and the people I work with, which is precisely why I am in the market for a new job opportunity. I need somewhere where teamwork is not just something that is placed in writing but is actually implemented in the workplace.

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