Is it a promotion if there’s no compensation?

Is it a promotion if there’s no compensation?

I was given a promotion at work, which include a band jump, title change, and direct reports that I previously did not have. The promotion includes a ton of additional responsibilities, and while I’m excited about it, I was told there would be no financial compensation whatsoever. I’m at a loss - this is a great career move for me, but not being compensated for adding an extensive amount of responsibilities seems unfair. Has this happened to anyone else?

For additional context, I’m an HR professional with 10 years of experience with a masters degree.

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  1. Anonymous

    I've had a similar experience. Since I work in a market that commands salary at the top of the range dictated by my organization, getting even a bit higher compensation was a challenge. I'm interested to hear what others might suggest in this type of case - if you like your job and the additional responsibilities would serve to expand your skills, maybe there's a way to leverage all of that in a future job search.

  2. Anonymous

    It is both: a promotion and unfair. Two things may be happening here:

    1. Salary compensation changes do not always align timing with the promotion, which means you might have to wait until a time threshold (for example, FY change, anniversary date) is reached.
    2. Salary bands often overlap. If you were paid at the top of your previous band, it could put you in the middle of your new band. I have seen this happen most often when someone negotiates a higher salary to get hired and then has to wait a couple of years (with or without a promotion) to get a raise because their onboarding salary was at the top or over the salary band for the position.
  3. Anonymous

    Agree with this response, but I’d encourage you to address this with your hiring manager and potentially your HRBP. You can do it professionally and without challenging. “I’m excited about this opportunity and the additional responsibilities that come with it, like managing a team. Given these changes, as well as the title and management band change, I’m surprised there isn’t a corresponding salary increase with the additional responsibilities I’m taking on. Can you share the reasoning behind this decision?”

    The response and your relationship(s) can dictate next steps and how much you push. You can be positive while being direct. Even better if you have access to or knowledge of salary bands at your company, ranges for your industry and similar roles, etc.

  4. Anonymous

    Congratulations on adding something to your resume that will make you marketable at a higher wage!

  5. Anonymous

    There sure are a lot of management trolls on this website.

  6. HILDA G

    You may politely ask, as an expert in the HR world too, of the remuneration that comes with the promotion. It will be a daily struggle on your part when you perform your duty but there are some gray areas that goes with it. You can do it!

  7. Anonymous

    They have already said no to additional compensation, so why would advise her to ask again?

  8. Anonymous

    OP here: Definitely was worth asking a second time as I asked for a 6 and 9 month compensation review. Although I was declined both, I am still planning on documenting hours of work while also starting a new job search.

  9. Anonymous

    Being in HR You should know that the low end of a band crosses over the high end of another band. Ask for a 6 month review to address an increase if possible though if you are in a larger company or in the tech space now consider yourself lucky to be employed, period. Worst case kill it in the new role and move to a company where they will give you more after doing a great job. Learn as much as you can and be grateful that they did not offer the bigger job to someone outside of the company other than you. You can think of it as a paid internship where you get to keep the goods. Stay positive. I know this may not be what you wanted to hear but in some situations companies just want to stretch you and there is no cash.

  10. Erica Mitchell

    Typically, a promotion includes an increase in pay. Negotiate your deserved raise.

  11. Anonymous

    Yes, this is not uncommon, especially when budgets are tight. During the 2000 tech crash and the 2008 banking crisis and subsequent recessions this was pretty much the norm.

  12. surfnwrite

    Absolutely not. Giving you more work with no additional compensation is exploitive. You’ll probably work more hours, so it’s actually a cut in pay.

  13. Lorna Rose, J.D., M.S.

    No, it's an increase in responsibility at best and exploitation at worst.

  14. Anonymous

    I consider myself an HR professional, with several years in this space. I would suggest you advocate for your worth. If you are a valued employee they will find a way to work this out, even if it’s not immediately.

  15. Sarah R

    Since they have already said no to additional compensation, I would use the promotion and start networking for a new role outside of the company within the next year.

  16. Valerie Rieger

    It depends. If you've moved to a role where your current compensation is in the range commiserate with your experience, there may not be an immediate change in pay but the higher ceiling on the compensation rate means there is potential for pay increases in the future.

    I'd also encourage you to do your research to determine if you are being paid appropriately for the role. BLS is a great resource to help with that.

  17. Anonymous

    I’ve been in HR for 7 years. Promotion without a pay raise is not a promotion. If you want to take on more work for the learn opportunity that’s fine but realize they are getting more from you for free.

  18. GirlBossanova934974

    This is no promotion. This is just an overt attempt to get a higher level of work for the same amount of money. UNLESS you are already at the top end of your salary band, this is really no excuse for this one. I would be looking elsewhere.

  19. Beth Daniell

    This is the key point I see missing from other comments. If you moved pay bands but it had similar thresholds, you may be maxed out already. If they cannot compensate, I would suggest staying just long enough to get some experience and use this for a pay bump at another company.

  20. Anonymous

    Nope not a promotion. They’re taking advantage of you. Time to negotiate or look at moving on

  21. Anonymous

    After reading all of these posts, I did try and negotiate (my peers make 15k more than me) with no luck from both my Director and Compensation team. Starting a new job search today!

  22. TK

    i know sometimes budgets are tight and they don't have the ability to add a raise but want to give the title change and promise a salary bump at a later time. if this is not the case i would ask for a 3 & 6mo evaluation aiming for the bump in salary at 6mos. even if you are at the top of your range they can still negotiate with maybe more pto, a spot bonus until the next cycle or other perks. if you set the expectation that this promotion needs a raise from the start that'll give them more time to work to get it done.

  23. Kia Harris

    Ask for the JD to be reviewed by compensation with the highlighted additions. With no increase are you able to respectfully decline

  24. Anonymous

    I wouldn’t consider it a promotion. If they’re not willing to do 6 month review with a possible raise, I’d take the time to get the great experience then go somewhere else where you will be compensated.

  25. Anonymous

    It is a promotion. You’re taking on additional responsibilities and they’ve given you a title and band change.

    But under no circumstances should you accept it. It’s egregious behavior, and sets a terrible precedent that you time, expertise and leadership aren’t valuable. If they want you to do all that extra work for free, and they think that’s a realistic ask, then they should post the job and let potential applicant know the pay for the job is $0.

  26. Anonymous

    Do not take the position! Your skills and time are not on sale! Research the salary that position pays in your location and industry, and tell them your salary requirements.

    the best advice I received from an executive was, know your value, and don’t ever settle for less. This applies to all areas of life!

  27. Shelby C

    It is only a promotion on paper. I would take it for the experience to go somewhere else where you're valued or ask them to put a compensation plan in writing for you. I would also find out what your peers are making, so you can tell them what the industry standard is. Just don't go into this without expectations and/or a plan.

    Negotiating is uncomfortable for a lot of people. It seems to be especially difficult for women. We are naturally conditioned by society to be submissive and demure, but that doesn't do us any favors - especially in the workspace. Here is some advice that I have given many ladies over the last twenty years since I began my career, worked through management, and ended up in HR. Think about what you would tell yourself.

    The big mistake most women make is undervaluing themselves. I tell everyone to find out what a single, forty year old, white man with comparable experience and education would make in your area. The pay gap is real!

    Part of the reason we don't get equal pay is because we do not ask for it. We have been conditioned not to. My dad taught me at a young age that I was "better than the boys", so I found myself asking for raises when my female counterparts were simply afraid to take risks at one company after another as I strategically moved from position to position at one company or another, maximizing my career and earning potential while I left my peers behind. My salary started doubling theirs, then tripling, and I stopped keeping track.... Twenty years later, most of them are in their fifties and they still have not achieved the level of success that I had in my twenties.

    If we don't have confidence in ourselves, no one will. The biggest mistake I used to see was people asking for additional money "because they needed it". Please don't ever tell anyone at work you need additional money. Tell them why you DESERVE it. You have obviously earned it or they wouldn't want to hire you! Go after it and reach for those stars! Tell them your worth. Remind them why they "promoted" you!

    Then, ask for things above and beyond that they can always say no to that they won't consider "an unreasonable ask". Here are some examples:

    - You can ask for flex-time. This is a huge benefit if you are a commuter and/or have children.

    - You can ask to work 4/10's instead of 5/8's, so you will have one day a week off. They still have you the same number of hours, but you are free to run errands one day, sleep in, be lazy, clean your house, and not commute. It also saves them on utilities and they get to brag about saving the environment.

    - I always asked for two paid weeks off twice a year for continued education that pertained to my position at their expense. It made me better at my job, they were investing in me, it was free travel, and a great networking opportunity (I found other jobs that way as well).

    - If they have tickets to local sports teams you like, ask to be one of the first considered. We hate to cook on Thanksgiving, so I used to always get tickets to the Cowboys game until I married a man with a mom that can cook. I had tickets to baseball, football, basketball, hockey, and NASCAR. They even gave me parking passes.

    - Every position I worked in had an auditing component. Someone was reviewing our records, so not only can you negotiate a base cost of living increase and merit wage increase (twice a year, your first year if they low ball you - once at 90 days and the other with the rest of the company). The base COL should be 3-5% and I have seen merit increases from 5-25%. You can also ask for productivity bonuses for perfect inspections. If you reach any kind of measurable goal in your position, ask for a bonus for that as well. Be creative!

    And, this is the BIG ONE. If you don't get a raise now and are continually paid less than you're worth it adds up. Some people say, it's only $2.50 an hour. It's worth staying with the company, but is it really? How much is it costing you? You're essentially giving them and every employer after them permission to take advantage of you, so that $2.50 an hour, turns into 5k a year! If you work forty more years, that's $200,000 that belongs to you that you're leaving on the table.

    You've got this! Congratulations!

    PS - Always ask for an Offer Letter and get any special terms and conditions in writing from someone that has the authority to make them happen.

  28. Anonymous

    This is amazing advice - thank you!

  29. Shelby C

    I'm happy to help!

  30. Anonymous

    Agree with several posters, unfortunately this practice is becoming more normal especially when budgets are tight. In fact, I once was told "If you don't take this (higher) position, we will find someone else, but then we may not need you as much anymore" - disheartening for sure!

    Do look at this in as positive a light as possible - as one poster said "You can think of it as a paid internship where you get to keep the goods." One thing they can never take away is your experience and your education. Get experience doing this higher role with more responsibilities and direct reports -- and then start networking with your new skills to a place that will compensate you for that level of work. Nothing is wasted if you have a big picture goal in mind!

  31. Anonymous

    That is not right! I would not accept a promotion with additional responsibilities but no additional compensation. This is not respectful to employees unless there is a temporary hardship to the company.

  32. Audrey Kirsch

    Take advantage of the career move. Do your best, learn as much as you can, then revisit the salary increase with your new supervisors. If the answer is still no, then you can take your experience and competence level down the road to someone who will compensate for it. Some companies are too blind to the fact that they are only training grounds for employees with potential. It's less expensive to give a salary bump to employees that excel than to keep bringing on new hires.

  33. Erin Pett

    No! If they want to promote you with no compensation, they can add a title.

    If they want to add extra work, money talks.

  34. Anonymous

    Every situation is different, and I don't recall the exact details but I can't say that I've never advised a manager to do something similar before. Doesn't happen often so I don't remember exact details but I can see where they could be situations where a promotion does not come with comp increase. One example I can remember was the employee's comp was already higher in the salary band even at the new level. But usually a higher level means higher bonus target so I'm pretty sure I would have put them in the higher bonus program. In that situation, the employee knew that their comp was higher in the band and was more than happy to gain experience in the new role. Another situation was due to a restructure and we had to remap employees or laid off employees. In those cases, it wouldn't have made sense to provide salary increases. It may not be the case for your situation or I think you might have mentioned. But if the reason is unclear to you, I think you should ask. The point is that communicating change reasons is extremely important if managers expect employees to continue to be engaged and motivated to do a good job in the new role. And if they don't have one or you disagree with the reason, I agree with the other comment--take it as a growth/development opportunity and learn as much as you can. Also, when they see you crushing it and still don't give you an increase, you'll know it's time to take your new experience elsewhere. That's how companies lose good employees.

  35. Anonymous

    I agree - ask why there is no increase. That's the only way you will know the thought process. Perhaps you are high in the comp and that is the reason - they should tell you that. I'd also ask - where do I fall in the band for this new role. I can tell you as a manager if we have someone high in the band it gets a lot of scrutiny and I have been pushed to give that person more responsibility, etc. to ensure the company is getting the value for the compensation being delivered. It can even put a target on a person's back if they aren't working at a higher level - it will make management question - could we have a person at a lower level do this role? Could we restructure, etc. and all of those conversations end poorly for the person high in the bands. Perhaps this is their way to save you and your contribution.

    Maybe it the company's financial situation, or maybe they are just jerks and don't want to pay. You won't know until you ask. If the company's financial situation is tenuous you may want to keep an eye on that and decide - do I stay, get experience and leave, do I leave as soon as I can find something or do I wait and see if they can right the ship? Good luck on your inquiry!

  36. Anonymous

    Good way to see your boss reaction when you ask in such a direct way. Are they themselves uncomfortable about the whole thing (they're the messenger), or they give you a reason that sounds plausible. There could be do many reasons behind this.

  37. Titra Hamilton

    I like the suggestion of asking why there will be more work, but with no additional compensation. You can also counter and ask for a raise. If you do that, then research pay bands for similarly situated personnel. Still, this sounds like a red flag to me. I would take the promotion, manage my time tightly and look for another job, especially if the answers as to why there is no raise are bad (e.g., no budget which speaks to the financial health of your organization).

  38. Anonymous

    You should go back to negotiate for a pay raise. It is not right to dump a bunch of work to you with no financial gain.

    This situation might be fine for young people who are using the title as a spring board to a different company. But you are a seasoned worker with 10 years of experience. Don’t sell yourself short and really negotiate. Even an extra thousand dollar is something. We all have limited good years to work, any year you don’t get compensated properly has big impact on your financial situation.

  39. Anonymous

    You have extra responsibilities and no extra comp? No way! Who do they think they're fooling?? Go back and negotiate. You weren't promoted. You were dumped on.

  40. Sylvia Hollingworth Reichle

    Agree, it’s extremely important you continue your negotiations on this before accepting this role. Advise on what comparable market rates are and what they’d have to pay someone if they hired a stranger with no relevant company experience from outside the organization. You have even more value because you’re an existing employee who understands the company.

  41. Anonymous

    That's a joke...but.... If this role and experience is critical towards. Your career grows, then do it for a limited amount of time and plan to move on.

  42. Anonymous

    I have taken a promotion with no increase to better my career path, however, I would not do so if I gained direct reports.

  43. Bradford McCormick

    Yeah. It's a "promotion" (in the advertising sense) for the people above you. Improving the company's production ourput to cost of doing busines ratio. Maybe they think you are so "stupid" as to, like a dog, feel good for getting a pat on the head.

    You are an HR profssional eith a masters degree? Did they teach you anything in school? A lot of schooling, not necessarily yours, is instuction in advanced job skills not education in he sense of growth in personal self-formation (German: "Bildung").

    Do a little thought experiment: Imagine yourself on the other side of an HR interview and being told this about the company you think you might want to work for. I once had a recruiter "educate" me: He told me and this is close to verbatim after many years: "If your boss tells you to jump, you ask: 'How high?'"

    Are you looking for another job in a company that shows you appreciateion for your good work and not just rewarding you by figuring that if you are this stong you can bear a heavier burder?

  44. Gretchen Skalka

    I haven't yet had the opportunity to go through all of the wonderful comments, so forgive me if this has been said but the short and 100% truthful answer is no.

    It is not a promotion if there is no corresponding compensation adjustment.

    It's just more responsibility for what is now less compensation.

    What you do with it is up to you.

    For many, this additional responsibility can include learning new skills and gaining new experiences that can have a very beneficial impact on future career moves - so that can be quite positive.

    Others will look at it negatively.

    How are you viewing it?

  45. Anonymous

    I am so suprised to read so many negative replies without having all of the facts.

    No, it is not uncommon to get a promotion in title and responsibility with no immediate financial compensation. It depends entirely upon the field. It also depends on capacity as well as other factors.

    Many promotions like this give you experience and job training that will benefit in future promotions and are upgrades to your resume'.

    Congratulations! Please, give your promotion time to work for your benefit.

  46. Anonymous

    A "promotion" with no pay raise means your employer places no value on your new responsibilities. It's a bad business practice.

    I once rejected such an offer. They gave me a vague "we'll take care of you in the next round," which given my company's track record, failed the stink test. Further, I would have been had to supervise a co-worker from hell, who was arguably the most high-maintenance co-worker in the history of commerce.

  47. Marcia Smith

    I totally agree with you.

    I once did the same thing - accepted a "promotion" with no pay increase and a TON of additional responsibilities and new direct reports - and it turned into an absolute nightmare.

    I would look for a new job as this employer clearly doesn't respect you and your wealth of experience and knowledge. Don't walk - run....

  48. Anonymous

    Congratulations for your promotion! It us evident that the company or your line manager values your abilities at work.

    In addittion, an increase in job duties, activities and responsibilities deserve a compensation. You can choose to gain experience in this new role for six months to one year and then look for another company to hire you with better compensation, or you can politely refuse the role change the current company.

    Personally, I've accepted additional responsibilities in companies just to get more knowledge and compensation was obtained later in other firms. I wish you success whatever you choose.

  49. Anonymous

    This is a hard NO. If you were 'promoted' you're to be compensated. They're looking to see if you'll just accept this and take on the incredible responsibility of managing a team and the additional workload.

    Also, if they told you there was a "band jump" where is the compensation? To what "band"? This is nonsensical. It's not a 'great career move'. It feels like I said earlier- "try before you buy" on the employer's part. A HR pro w/10 yrs of exp + a Masters should command a solid compensation pkg in the open market. My take is decline and start looking. The decline from you will likely cause the leader who thought this was a great idea, to reconsider, or maybe not.

    They've shown themselves for who they are as a company, not investedin the talent in their company. I'd pause hard about a long tenure at a company that doesn't value you.

  50. Eloisa Jacinto

    Hi there. Will this promotion bring additional knowledge and skills for you? Did you check with boss what is the plan with regards your pay e.g., an increase to be given after 3 months? While it’s not unusual that a promotion does not result into a pay raise, a possible reason is you are already earning within the range of your new position. So some policies will allow a waiting period before a

    pay bump is given. Best to discuss with your boss your compensation policy before accepting the new

    role. Regards.

  51. Anonymous

    This is a bunch of Bullshit obviously written by an HR "professional" meh!

  52. Anonymous

    Enjoy your "promotion". It's why we get up and slave everyday right?

  53. Katheryn M

    Yeah, no. this just sounds like they realized you have a higher level of capability and are now packing on the responsibilities without offering you anything in return. They clearly don't value you, or they would compensate you for the additional responsibilities. Overall, only you can decide if this move is worth it for your career, but think about what you would be paid if you moved to a different company with the same responsibilities. Bring that to the negotiation table with proof of similar job titles. You have o value yourself- they don't seem to value you.

  54. Jennifer Falandys

    I agree. I've been here. I would do it for a little while because it's good to add to the resume and then I would either approach the company or be quietly looking for a new job. When this happened to me, I strategically planned my exit and was "quiet quitting" before it had a name.

  55. Meagan Prior

    Thats not a promotion, thats just a bunch more sh!t to do. Do it for a little while, then take your new title/mgt skills/experience for a ride to the job market! Thats the only way a "promotion" like this one pans out in your favor.

  56. Anonymous

    Significantly more responsibility with no pay increase sounds very odd, unless your current salary aligns with similar HR positions in your geographic area.

    It would be helpful to ascertain your company’s rationale and whether a near-term pay increase is contemplated, perhaps linked to performance.

    If you decide to take the role without the pay increase, view it as an opportunity to enhance your credentials before finding another job that pays better.

  57. Anonymous

    Only women make excuses for multi-million/billion dollar corporations and consistently down play their worth. I promise you men don’t get a promotion, take on more responsibilities, get a title change, and then accept the same salary. They don’t encourage each other to wait 3-6 months and then possibly try to negotiate for more money after accepting the job for the same money. This is a mindset women have been fed. To just be grateful for scraps and exposure. If the company doesn’t have the money to pay for the position then they should restructure, or re-budget. They have $10-20k/year. I PROMISE! If they don’t they’re about to collapse anyway (assuming this isn’t a NPO…and even then there’s a little money available). If they can’t increase the base salary then they need to add or increase an annual bonus.

    And we need to stop encouraging women to accept this and be grateful for giving away our time and devaluing our work. STAND UP for yourselves. We’re paid cents on the dollar compared to men and stuff like this is why. This isn’t acceptable.

  58. Titra Hamilton

    Men would definitely refuse to take on more responsibility without more pay.

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